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Aug. 8, 2007 at 7:14pm Eastern by Danny Sullivan

Q&A On The New Google News Comments

Google News To Newsmakers: Send Us Your Comments from me earlier covers the new system that Google unveiled today allowing for comments on news stories. I've now had a chance to talk briefly with Google News business product manager Josh Cohen about the system, to better understand its goals and potential future. Below, some answers to several questions that have been floating around.

First and foremost, Josh stressed that this is very much something Google's testing and where it leads remains to be seen:

It's an experimental launch. Is it going to work? We don't know. We're putting it out there to see what type of comments we get and how it works.

Who exactly is a story participant, eligible to comment?

If the subject or someone related to the organization is mentioned, they can give their comment. If you're mentioned in a story or quoted in it, you're a participant. Even if you’re a reporter writing the story itself, you’re a participant.

What motivated the launch of this feature? In particular, Google's cofounders have both expressed concerns in the past that news articles don't often tell the full story, with Larry Page cited [page 297] in John Battelle's book The Search that journalism was "extremely flawed" and Eric Schmidt talking recently that false rumors are less likely to happen if more "original source material" is online. Is this in reaction to those types of things?

It's not really a comment on news reporting but more how do you get more comments out there. We're not reporting on stories ourselves. This is just another perspective. It's pretty consistent with what we've tried to do with Google News in general, tried to offer many perspectives on the news. We do that today.

In talking, Josh mentioned soliciting some comments, to sort of kickstart the process. How many, and any particular stories? He didn't have figures offhand but said it wasn't something Google expected to do in the longer term.

With a new feature, no one knows about it, so the feeling was we'll have to do solicitation of the feature to get people get more aware of it. We have relatively modest expectation of the comments we'll get at first. We're sort of bootstrapping it in a little bit at the start, and the goal is that it will eventually fuel itself. As for stories we're soliciting comments on, we're not looking for any particular category or level of story, but for the purposes of this test, we will not be soliciting comments on any story about Google or relating to markets in which Google may participate.

I asked about how many comments have come in so far and the quality of them, which got a fairly general answer:

We have some comments on the site, and we've been pleased with what we've been getting so far.

Any way to see just stories that have comments? No, but that's a feature Google is currently working on.

How about link backs for those giving comments? Easily done, I was told. Those sending in comments should simply include a link to a site or bio information about them. You can also include links as part of the comments you email. Josh added that those comments aren't being edited at all. So if you misspell, on your head be it!

After the interview (Josh only had a few minutes), I sent some further questions in for Google to answer in general.

How about more clarification on how verifying source is done? Seems like giving Google a phone number to call you at would be pretty easy to game. I was told:

Google confirms the identity of each participant individually. The means for confirming the identity may differ on a case by case basis, but no method is foolproof.

Is this a push for Google to be in the original content game? Nope. Google's official line is that while these pages are part of Google's information mission.

We don't want to create content, and we don't want to be in the content creation business. We want to be the conduit connecting people with information.

Several places (such as IP Democracy and Wired) are asking if Google is going to be concerned about libel or other issues if it publishes comments that might be deemed to harm other individuals or companies. Somewhat related, Steve Rubel suggested that Google will be playing gatekeeper over what comments you'll allow. But your help files suggest that there are very few reasons (such as hate speech) where you would not post a comment. Can you explain more -- will any valid comment really make it up? And what's the expected turnaround time?

We're launching this experimental feature to give participants in a story the chance to directly comment on it. Their comments are linked alongside the normal media coverage of the story.

The reporter and publisher are considered "participants" in the story, so they may also comment.

We don't have editors, and we don't verify anything other than identity for the comments -- the statements are from the contributor only. We'd only remove comments with proper legal process. Even if these comments are false or have spelling errors or typos, they'll be judged by the readers, but we're not going to jump in the process of editing participants' comments.

I'm still waiting to hear back on these remaining questions:

  • But what about concerns (such as at Micro Persuasion and Ars Technica) that you're taking the "conversation" away from source documents and bringing it over to Google?
     
  • Since there's going to be valuable information in these comments, shouldn't Google open these pages up to others to crawl, as Gabe Rivera from Techmeme urges?
     
  • Are public relations firms considered "participants" in a story, if they represent someone or some company mentioned?
     
  • There are lots of questions about how time consuming this will be. Did you add people specifically for the project, and how staffed up are you?
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Reader Comments

Still no clarification of how Google News will determine who can comment as "an expert in the topic of the story" (Google News Help).

This is a potential open door for PR agencies to pitch clients, and for third party commentators to build their own reputation.

Also, have any PR agencies been approached by Google News as part of their efforts to solicit comment?

I don't think this is done manually over emails. Google already has the verified informations to many people. Basically Google can know if the Google Account in question really is owned by a specific person by checking their verified credit card on file, checking for an AdSense account, verified email, account creation date, IP adresses that used the Google Account, basically Google has already many ways to identify a user against a real life identity.

I guess there could simply be these features in the Google Account space "Request to post post verified comments in Google News for: - Your Name - Your Company - Represent somebody - Represent a company"

In case the user wants to represent someone or represent a company, then Google needs to eigther simply verify through the Google Account of the person, or in case of representing a company, then Google proceeds to verify with the company. One easy way to verify is to upload a special html file to the root of the company's official website, for example ibm.com/specialfilewithcodes.html then that would most probably guarantee for Google that this user is in fact representing IBM. If the Google Account has a long verifiable history and all that, it will speed up the process of Google being able to verify the user's identity and activate it being able to post comments on whatever Google News article that includes the name or company name in question.

Google can be easily trumped. The news organization itself can publish comments on the story much more quickly than GOOG. And it can preauthorize everyone since it knows who is in the story. Would GOOG then republish those comments?

GOOG does things by machine not by people. This is an experiment that won't last long, it has no idea what it is getting into.

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