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		<title>By: zuko105</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuko105</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>linkbait = achieved</description>
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		<title>By: tgiassa</title>
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		<dc:creator>tgiassa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny, Thank you for writing this brilliant overview of a &quot;hairy&quot; problem many of us &quot;out there&quot; face!  
I am not a mommy but I sell homes, and, in a resort market like mine, having an effective website that is found when people go to Google and type in &quot;Crested Butte real estate&quot; or &quot;Homes in Crested Butte&quot; is uber-critical!  
I had initially hired an SEO guy that may fit into the not-so-good category.  He never did the basics, ie: title, keywords, etc.  ... in fact, I&#039;m not sure what he did for the $450/mo I gave him.  So, I let him go and now am trying to educate myself on the subject.  I am re-writing my pages and while having great content (I think), I am using some of the tools and tips I have picked up by spending hours doing research.   It&#039;s really hard to find the time to learn and implement but feel it is my best option at this point - besides I know the content best.
My husband sent me your article and now that I found you I will be including your articles in my research -- so keep the good stuff coming!
Make it a great day!  Trish Giassa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny, Thank you for writing this brilliant overview of a &#8220;hairy&#8221; problem many of us &#8220;out there&#8221; face!<br />
I am not a mommy but I sell homes, and, in a resort market like mine, having an effective website that is found when people go to Google and type in &#8220;Crested Butte real estate&#8221; or &#8220;Homes in Crested Butte&#8221; is uber-critical!<br />
I had initially hired an SEO guy that may fit into the not-so-good category.  He never did the basics, ie: title, keywords, etc.  &#8230; in fact, I&#8217;m not sure what he did for the $450/mo I gave him.  So, I let him go and now am trying to educate myself on the subject.  I am re-writing my pages and while having great content (I think), I am using some of the tools and tips I have picked up by spending hours doing research.   It&#8217;s really hard to find the time to learn and implement but feel it is my best option at this point &#8211; besides I know the content best.<br />
My husband sent me your article and now that I found you I will be including your articles in my research &#8212; so keep the good stuff coming!<br />
Make it a great day!  Trish Giassa</p>
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		<title>By: carps</title>
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		<dc:creator>carps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A brilliant defense! I think those who argue that &#039;good&#039; web developers will just code things for SEO naturally in this comment thread are kind of missing the point.

Remember Adam Smith&#039;s description of the amount of labour that goes into making matches... the old &#039;division of labour&#039; thing. A match requires someone to chop down the tree, someone to mine the sulphur for the tip, someone to create the chemicals, someone to create the machinery to shape the match and so on... It would be foolish to think that one person can make the perfect match without all this outside expertise.

Websites are no different. Someone who&#039;s great with visual concepts might not understand how a website is even put together. And the person putting the website together might not know how Google works. And then the owner of the site might blunder about spamming the internet because - hey! - they&#039;ve got a business to run and don&#039;t have any frame of reference for buying links or adding content to their site properly.

So SEO is just the study of these things and the application of them to a website - not some kind of meta-criticism of web design or business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A brilliant defense! I think those who argue that &#8216;good&#8217; web developers will just code things for SEO naturally in this comment thread are kind of missing the point.</p>
<p>Remember Adam Smith&#8217;s description of the amount of labour that goes into making matches&#8230; the old &#8216;division of labour&#8217; thing. A match requires someone to chop down the tree, someone to mine the sulphur for the tip, someone to create the chemicals, someone to create the machinery to shape the match and so on&#8230; It would be foolish to think that one person can make the perfect match without all this outside expertise.</p>
<p>Websites are no different. Someone who&#8217;s great with visual concepts might not understand how a website is even put together. And the person putting the website together might not know how Google works. And then the owner of the site might blunder about spamming the internet because &#8211; hey! &#8211; they&#8217;ve got a business to run and don&#8217;t have any frame of reference for buying links or adding content to their site properly.</p>
<p>So SEO is just the study of these things and the application of them to a website &#8211; not some kind of meta-criticism of web design or business.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil Reich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gil Reich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rolex, the same can be said (and often is said) about almost anything. You were &quot;shocked in the first 15 minutes I had it how common sense it was (and how much I already knew).&quot; OK, that would be true if you picked up a book in economics, nutrition, marketing, PR, writing, etc. I&#039;m not an SEO. I work at a website. I have no axe to grind and no vested interest. But I will tell you that in my experience, as with most other things, common sense gets you pretty far but an expert can get you a lot further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rolex, the same can be said (and often is said) about almost anything. You were &#8220;shocked in the first 15 minutes I had it how common sense it was (and how much I already knew).&#8221; OK, that would be true if you picked up a book in economics, nutrition, marketing, PR, writing, etc. I&#8217;m not an SEO. I work at a website. I have no axe to grind and no vested interest. But I will tell you that in my experience, as with most other things, common sense gets you pretty far but an expert can get you a lot further.</p>
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		<title>By: Rolex24</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rolex24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know. I think I agree with Derek, but I see your points. There are people out there that really don&#039;t know thing one about a website or SEO. But does that mean we should charge them a lot of money to do something that is fairly common sense? Sure that&#039;s fine. And I&#039;m sure there are many people out there who would be glad to do it. 

Where I think it becomes unethical is when SEO experts make it seem like what they do is extremely complicated and could not be done without their help. I&#039;m a writer, and I started seeing SEO on everyone&#039;s resume&#039;s, so I thought, I better learn what this is all about. I bought a highly recommended book and I was shocked in the first 15 minutes I had it how common sense it was (and how much I already knew). I guess my point is....for someone who has a clue about the web SEO should be friendly advice. You can find most everything you need to know here http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/

 For someone who has no clue, and isn&#039;t willing to learn they may be a better candidate for SEO services. But if they aren&#039;t the type to really be clued in as to what they are doing online then it may be a wasted effort. Because as Derek said &quot;You’ll build a reputation for doing good work, meaning what you say, and building trust.
It’ll take time. A lot of time. But it works. And it’s the only thing that does.&quot; If they aren&#039;t willing to put the work in then they&#039;ll never get very far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know. I think I agree with Derek, but I see your points. There are people out there that really don&#8217;t know thing one about a website or SEO. But does that mean we should charge them a lot of money to do something that is fairly common sense? Sure that&#8217;s fine. And I&#8217;m sure there are many people out there who would be glad to do it. </p>
<p>Where I think it becomes unethical is when SEO experts make it seem like what they do is extremely complicated and could not be done without their help. I&#8217;m a writer, and I started seeing SEO on everyone&#8217;s resume&#8217;s, so I thought, I better learn what this is all about. I bought a highly recommended book and I was shocked in the first 15 minutes I had it how common sense it was (and how much I already knew). I guess my point is&#8230;.for someone who has a clue about the web SEO should be friendly advice. You can find most everything you need to know here <a href="http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/</a></p>
<p> For someone who has no clue, and isn&#8217;t willing to learn they may be a better candidate for SEO services. But if they aren&#8217;t the type to really be clued in as to what they are doing online then it may be a wasted effort. Because as Derek said &#8220;You’ll build a reputation for doing good work, meaning what you say, and building trust.<br />
It’ll take time. A lot of time. But it works. And it’s the only thing that does.&#8221; If they aren&#8217;t willing to put the work in then they&#8217;ll never get very far.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny, et al:  my comments from yesterday were too long to put here.   See http://www.aboutonlinematters.com/2009/10/why-search-engine-optimization-matters/.

Sorry if a bit rambling or dense - time is so tight that editing cycles get nixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny, et al:  my comments from yesterday were too long to put here.   See <a href="http://www.aboutonlinematters.com/2009/10/why-search-engine-optimization-matters/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aboutonlinematters.com/2009/10/why-search-engine-optimization-matters/</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry if a bit rambling or dense &#8211; time is so tight that editing cycles get nixed.</p>
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		<title>By: tcbee</title>
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		<dc:creator>tcbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, it&#039;s just the worst semantical mis-communication ever.  The irony is that as an SEO,  Derek&#039;s post makes complete sense to me.   I agree 100%, except for one tiny thing: 

HE PICKED THE WRONG WORD.

He should have have said &quot;SPAM&quot; is not a legitimate form of marketing.  &quot;SPAM&quot; is poisoning the web.

I fight, fight, FIGHT to educate against spam on the web.   It pisses me off and I take it reeeal personally that tacky tactics like that rub off on my mission to help people leverage exceptional online content even more by making it  search-friendly. 

Email marketing has similar backlash:  we all detest spam emails, but no one can deny that a ingeniously crafted, opt-in email campaign does nothing but improve customer loyalty.

SEO can be used for good or evil.  Derek&#039;s ranting against the evil while completely missing the value that legitimate SEO brings.  

(His &quot;under the hood&quot; paragraph is also a messy misinformed miasma of reverse-engineering, but I digress...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, it&#8217;s just the worst semantical mis-communication ever.  The irony is that as an SEO,  Derek&#8217;s post makes complete sense to me.   I agree 100%, except for one tiny thing: </p>
<p>HE PICKED THE WRONG WORD.</p>
<p>He should have have said &#8220;SPAM&#8221; is not a legitimate form of marketing.  &#8220;SPAM&#8221; is poisoning the web.</p>
<p>I fight, fight, FIGHT to educate against spam on the web.   It pisses me off and I take it reeeal personally that tacky tactics like that rub off on my mission to help people leverage exceptional online content even more by making it  search-friendly. </p>
<p>Email marketing has similar backlash:  we all detest spam emails, but no one can deny that a ingeniously crafted, opt-in email campaign does nothing but improve customer loyalty.</p>
<p>SEO can be used for good or evil.  Derek&#8217;s ranting against the evil while completely missing the value that legitimate SEO brings.  </p>
<p>(His &#8220;under the hood&#8221; paragraph is also a messy misinformed miasma of reverse-engineering, but I digress&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: purposeinc</title>
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		<dc:creator>purposeinc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. Something is only easy once you know how to do it. It is almost daily that I end up explaining to some business owner the basics of getting started with SEO. Just cause it is easy to you, does not mean it is not valuable. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. Something is only easy once you know how to do it. It is almost daily that I end up explaining to some business owner the basics of getting started with SEO. Just cause it is easy to you, does not mean it is not valuable. :)</p>
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		<title>By: GopiKrishna</title>
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		<dc:creator>GopiKrishna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Danny Sullivan, i am total agree with you, SEO is not just getting listed at top of search engines, it&#039;s a way to create your website user friendly manner, getting some traffic so users can know about you, it&#039;s not an tactic it&#039;s a open standards which are build to make web more meaning full....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Danny Sullivan, i am total agree with you, SEO is not just getting listed at top of search engines, it&#8217;s a way to create your website user friendly manner, getting some traffic so users can know about you, it&#8217;s not an tactic it&#8217;s a open standards which are build to make web more meaning full&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: b</title>
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		<dc:creator>b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Danny, but the situations you describe are still just good web development. Any decent web developer will know to do those things. Just because some developers don&#039;t doesn&#039;t mean SEO is a legitimate industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Danny, but the situations you describe are still just good web development. Any decent web developer will know to do those things. Just because some developers don&#8217;t doesn&#8217;t mean SEO is a legitimate industry.</p>
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