• Pierre Gardin

    ” Sure, they could change the default. But it would still put Apple in the uncomfortable position of having to explain why it chose not the best search engine to use as a default but rather one based on competition issues.”

    No, they couldn’t. If you had researched your subject you would have learned why.

  • http://www.thenetworkgarden.com hypermark

    Great analysis. I have two points to add. One is that it seems logical that Apple is going to focus on the areas where they can create better native experiences than a simple web experience offers. Put another way, Apple has ALWAYS bifurcated their approach between Mobile Web and Mobile Native.

    Hence, standard web based search as it exists today, is fast and functional, so there’s only downside to disrupting satisfied users. Pick a partner, get out of the way.

    Map based search, by contrast, is an area where not only was Apple already creating value by building their ideal form of interaction and visualization, it’s an area where being “native” makes a serious difference. Own it and evolve it.

    Voice based search, too, is an area where the interface, response and return functions need to be highly evolved to support incredibly complex interactions and deliver intelligent returns either visually, aurally or at a service level (add to calendar,email me). Heavily native. Own it, evolve it.

    The second takeaway I had re iOS 6 is that iOS starts to gain more of a portal like flavor where Apple plugs in default partners for various function sets (Yelp, OpenTable and Rotten Tomatoes, Waze), and it will be interesting to see how that evolves for them as a monetization strategy.

    Btw, if you are interested, here was my analysis of the WWDC Keynote (http://bit.ly/iOS6-WWDC-Keynote).http://

  • http://www.darnellclayton.com Darnell Clayton

    Siri is much more emotional than Google but when it comes to voice searches online it produces less relevant results as I’ve found Google’s voice app is able to grasp what I’m saying much better than Siri (as the former can understand different accents, something Siri seems to have a problem with).

    Maps for iOS 6 looks sweet for Apple, but if Google launches their own standalone I’ll switch. Why? Accuracy.

    Maps iOS is based upon companies Apple bought, but they have incorporated data from OpenStreet Maps as well as licensed information from TomTom.

    While this makes them as competitive (if not better) than bing maps or Ask.com maps, the fact that Google physically travels the road pretty much sums up why I (along with a sizable chunk of others) will dump iOS 6 maps for a future Google Maps app as accuracy is key in this game.

  • http://searchengineland.com/ Danny Sullivan

    I did. It’s called Settings > Safari > Search Engine. For my iPhone 4S, I can choose to change the default from Google to Yahoo or Bing.

    I think you interpreted as what I wrote meaning that Apple might drop Google as one of the embedded choices. I doubt they’d do that so much it didn’t occur to me to make that clear. When I talk about drop, I mean dropping Google as the selected default, not as a choice among the defaults.

    Apple would be insane to not offer Google as an option, I’d say.

  • http://searchengineland.com/ Danny Sullivan

    Looks like you’ve edited your comment now, so that my doesn’t make much sense. You’d initially ended by saying, “No, they couldn’t. If you had researched your subject you would have learned why.”

    I took that to mean you felt I hadn’t researched some technical issue. Now it sounds like you think I wasn’t aware there’s an Apple-Google deal. It’s pretty self-evident from the piece that I was aware of this. But the piece starts out talking about how the deal was renewed, and it doesn’t always have to be renewed. At some point, Apple could drop Google as the default choice, when the deal (or deals) have expired.

  • http://twitter.com/darrinlim Darrin Lim

    Another thing that Google has going for it is internationalisation.  
    I’m in New Zealand – Siri doesn’t recognise my accent and the business reviews in Apple Maps and Siri are useless because Yelp doesn’t operate here.  
    No such issues with Google.  And if they switch to Bing, that’s just as bad – it doesn’t have an NZ-specific version.
    Apple always seems to forget they also operate outside of the US.  We don’t even have an Apple Store here!

  • Dorothy N. Nelson

    I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this. http://DemoforFrank.blogspot.com

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  • Durant Imboden

    Yes, and people might actually use the option, as they do when they choose Google as their default search engine in Microsoft’s Internet Explorer.

  • Alan

    Whilst I wish they would I have to agree that Apple will not be firing any nukes at Google in the near future. However in the war Google and Apple WILL have (or are having) containment is definitely a better strategy FOR NOW. 

    However I am pretty sure Google and Apple now consider each other enemies and are just operating under the strategy of keep your friends close and your enemies even closer. 

    Apple is the worst kind of enemy to have! Why? Because they apparently have cash reserves bigger than the US federal reserve and are willingness to act ruthlessly if threatened.

    Just because they are moving slowly and eating at google from the edges doesn’t mean they won’t one day go for the jugular! It is a strategy most big tech companies employ. In fact Google is employing the strategy against Facebook as we speak. How many attempts did they have at taking on Facebook head on? 5 times? That didn’t work! So now they are forcing everyone to use G+ even when we don’t want to. Will this succeed where all other attempts failed? time will tell. 

    other leaders in their field that were taken out by concerted opposition:

    Microsoft vs ICQ
    Microsoft vs Netscape
    Microsoft vs OS2
    Google vs Hotmail
    Google vs Yahoo Search
    Google vs Altavista
    Facebook vs Myspace

    Just to name a few. Is Google to big to fail? I don’t believe any company is to big to fail. The search results Google is offering at the moment are quite bad, Which is unusual for them and with the advent of paid listings the above the fold user experience is only going to get worse. So I think they are ripe ready to be knocked off the mantle of the best search engine the world has ever known. All a competitor has to do is provide uncluttered results that are geo-targeted. How hard could that be ? ;)

    Personally I think Apple should just buy out someone like duckduckgo and put some of that mount everest of cash they have into making it even better.

    However like I have said before why stop at search? Why not offer Apple’s own version of adwords and adsense. Google seems to be making money from those two products. So why couldn’t Apple? If there is one thing we know Apple isn’t averse to making money!

    In the end I don’t hate Google I just want some real competition in the market place to keep Google on their toes and maybe start treating publishers like human beings instead of old corn cobs they have eaten all the kernels off of.

  • JohnDoey

    You are misunderstanding the mapping issue slightly, I think. The Maps app is only one of tens of thousands of iOS apps that use Apple’s mapping API’s on iOS. Google Maps are not just going to be replaced in the Maps app; they are going to be replaced in every map in every app on iOS. The apps ask the system for a map and the system returns one, which today uses Google data. At some point in the near future, apps will ask the system for a map and the map they get will be an Apple map and Google Maps will be an Android feature only.

    > For the near term, Google looks to remain the default in Safari
    > for most of the countries where the iPhone and iPad are sold,
    > and that leaves it pretty integrated into iOS.

    That is not really true. In the next versions of both Mac OS and iOS, the search bar in Safari is a single field. There is no Google Search field. If you enter a search term in the single field, you get an Apple-provided menu (not Google-provided as before with Suggest) that includes the Siri partners and then finally, Google. It is a huge demotion.

    Google are definitely getting removed from the partner lounge and being shown outside to the competitor’s lounge.

    I think this is all much worse for Google than even their worst detractors would say, because they specifically went to war with OS X and NT and it turns out we are having another OS X and NT decade, only this time, on iPods. Most of Google’s users will continue to be running either OS X or NT, and their Web browsers are going to be the 3rd or 4th place they go for search. Facebook and Twitter are going to be all through the interface, along with Siri and Spotlight and Bing, and Google users are just going to be the small number of people who both a) have an Android phone and b) use it for something other than a phone. The actual computing is happening — as usual — on OS X (Mac OS and iOS) and NT (on Wintel and soon on ARM.) Nobody else even has a native app platform, and that is the #1 feature that consumers want in a PC.

  • Alan

    What I find funny in all this is that apparently Microsoft nets more from Android devices than Google does. So they went to war with Apple to fill Microsoft’s coffers? Next time Google decides to “go to war” against another big fish. They really should check out who owns all the bullets.. err I mean patents.

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  • http://vfmvn.com.vn/ Duy Nguyen

    Alan, this is the war of giants and I think they won’t let the other party outplay them easily. Let’s see what would happen then.

  • http://searchengineland.com/ Danny Sullivan

    Thanks. That developer aspect is an important one. But I suspect that beyond Maps itself, most of that traffic (and potential for Google to monetize) is relatively minor.

    I’ll be very curious to see that new Safari bar in action. That is a big difference, but it also seems likely to go against the deal for Google to be the primary provider. I’ll go on the hunt for some screenshots.

  • http://searchengineland.com/ Danny Sullivan

    Duck Duck Go depends on other search engines, primarily Bing. If Apple bought it, and it suddenly took off to be a threat to Bing, Bing could end that partnership.

  • Pierre Gardin

    I have edited my comment because I thought afterwards it was harsh and unfair, when I said you hadn’t researched your subject. I just felt that if someone read this article lightly, he would think that Apple did make Google the default to avoid alienate users, when in fact they got a double benefit.

  • Alan

    I guess they could buy bing then. Wasn’t MS trying to shop it to Facebook?

  • Gad Heilweil

    Great read.
    For me there is a larger strategic war going on: the web  vs the OS’s. The Web has been with us only for about 20 years yet we take it for granted, However we are seeing a move largely led by apple but to some extend MS and now also Samsung to pull away from the web and move consumers back to OS environments (whatever it maybe). This shift exemplified by Siri but to some extent in almost any other “social” app that is disconnected from the web, is thermonuclear for google but much more worrisome for me it will (and already is) nuke the web.  

  • Djyrn

    I started buying Apple products for my personal and business life back in 2007 when I adopted Google Apps for my company.  It was Google that truly enabled me to make the leap away from the PC/Server/Blackberry world.  

    I still experience more synergy with google and apple then not, I’ve not avoided Apple goods because of google but on the contrary I’ve used Apple rather than Windows as a result.  Apple should be wary about cutting Google’s throat as there’s an excellent chance that it will once again force the world to choose PC or Apple.  From a business perspective that’ll hurt Apple’s inroads, and steer many people off the course that’s been taking us to a post PC world.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000586876452 Arvin Alba

    You’re not even sure if Apple’s maps will be inaccurate! You haven’t even seen it! I’ll reserve my judgement until I’ve actually tested both.

  • http://www.darnellclayton.com Darnell Clayton

    Apparently iOS 6 maps is based upon TomTom. Seriously. Combine that with OpenStreet Maps and you get a “decent” app, but one that is not going to be as accurate as Google’s (apparently TomTom has a horrible reputation as far as mapping applications go. See: 
    http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/06/ios-6-maps-app-challenges/ for details).

    I’m going to use Google Earth and wait until a standalone Google Maps app appears upon iOS. I’m not risking my life using an inferior mapping service (and if you have used OpenStreet Maps as well as TomTom, then you already know what iOS 6 Maps data isn’t going to be as accurate as Google Maps).

    I’m not saying Apple can’t do the job. I really do hope that they do put out a decent competitor. I was just hoping it would be better than what I’m hearing right now.

  • http://twitter.com/shrek79 shrek79

    Not as big of threat as people think. Only 4s and Iphone 5 will have access to all features of Imap, such as flyover and turn by turn. I think Apple is alienating some people by not supporting this on phones clearly capable to do this, I have Tom Tom and it works fine.

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  • sergeeva

    What is “california highway patrol” in Google’s app about Eat Chow? Is it relevant information about a place? Google’s information extraction seems to be very stupid. I browsed google local for many other restaurants and businesses and their “at a glance” is stupid irrelevant information in majority cases. In cases it’s relevant it’s meaningless too generic “salad”, “roasted chicken salad” item which can not be used to judge if this place is what you search for or not. What’s going up with Google local? Google Local is significantly beyond other google properties in search. Recently I searched “best buy” in Google and got Best Buy Headquarters instead of place in Palo Alto.

  • sergeeva

    Daniel
    do you have any information how much users use Google Maps vs Yelp now?
    From my friends in restaurant business I know that star rating at Yelp is significantly more important for them than star rating provided by Google, but I do not have numerical data. My general believe now – Google Map is not an app which important for users searches for businesses, they tend to use Yelp, but again I do not have any numerical data to confirm or reject this hypothesis.

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    At the end of the day, they have all pocketed so much cash that none of these things really matter. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4OPOUB5XQJLXKHEBKKPBI6YAEI Mike

    Apple needs Google needs Facebook needs Apple, etc. That’s what people need to understand. Apple has the cash to do literally whatever it wants but in theory it can’t. One corporation cannot dominate multiple markets. So in theory they all need each other. 

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  • zato

    Apple is almost certainly developing its own search engine. Apple can’t leave an enemy, Google, in control of an important part of its customer experience. 

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  • http://www.facebook.com/stuartlogan2002 Stuart Logan

    Bing was the default search on my iPad 3. Not seen any press on this though, so maybe it was only a UK deal?

  • http://www.facebook.com/isaiah.bollinger Isaiah Bollinger

    Apple should not be mad that Google may have stolen their operating system ideas.  There needs to be competition for better products to come about.  If anything Apple should make a search engine so that there is more search engine competition because honestly Bing and Yahoo are pretty awful considering how much money they have to throw at their stupid algorithms and search engine technology.  I started http://www.muvdigital.com and a few other projects very recently because I believed I could start a better company than other online marketing companies I had worked for and I hope we build our brand and products at a level that competes with other big companies.  Competition is critical to creating better products and services.  The world economy is desperately lacking competition as oligopolies and other huge corporations are dominating the markets because no one can compete with the money they can through at their marketing and product development ploys.  I hope more companies emerge and compete so that I dont have to get owned and take it by huge corporations just giving it to me with massive profit margins and poor delivery.  Without competition corporations have little incentive to improve their products and services to compete for market share.  America was built on competition yet there are less new businesses owners than ever before.  We must have more business owners to bring America back to what it once was. 

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  • Kizedek

    Nonsense. There is no Web vs App dilemma. That is all FUD. We now have more choices than ever. If this was 400 years ago, maybe you would be lamenting the rise of leaved books over scrolls. Yet, paper and the written word are still very much with us!

    The internet is there, period. It is there to be used. One way to use it is by accessing web pages through a browser. That is not going to change. 

    However, if you want real services and real interaction etc., then you are going to look for more native solutions. This is just another way to use the internet. The applications of native apps to real world use cases are limitless. Platforms for native apps are necessary to keep pushing the boundaries, making new things possible and providing some differentiation.

    The web / browser part of the internet needs to be as open and standardized as possible. It finally is becoming that way with HTML5, CSS3, PHP, javascript, etc. No, Flash and Silverlight were never the “real web”. Everyone is on equal footing there (unless they are slow to implement standards or they interpret them in some bizarre way of their own). True, it might become more like window shopping or getting a catalog in the mail; but if anything it will become more ubiquitous as every phone, every billboard etc. becomes web enabled.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/Silks Yaniv Eidelstein

    In iOS 6, Apple chose Vimeo over YouTube. That’s almost as extreme as Bing over Google search.

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  • KyleBavender

    “I’m not risking my life using an inferior mapping service…”

    Not sure whether this hyperbolic statement was intentional (har har) or made in ignorance of the last several millenia of navigation technology.

  • http://www.darnellclayton.com Darnell Clayton

    @KyleBavender:disqus I guess you’ve never had to use a mapping service with friends and had it instruct you to turn down a road that either shouldn’t exist or had the wrong name, thus ending up in a bad neighborhood.

    I also have friends in the courier business who use mapping services like Google, Mapquest, etc. and can not afford to take the wrong path in a bad neighborhood (lest they get robbed).

    Google Maps isn’t perfect (and neither is Ask.com either. I won’t even mention Bing Maps here). But if you need to get to point A to point B without unnecessary scenic detours or contributing to “Robin Hoods” future estate, Google Maps is where it’s at for me.

  • Gad Heilweil

    u started with “nonsense” and ended with “true”

  • Kizedek

    lol. True.
    But still, I don’t think the app platform phenomena is nuking the web. My true statement was not about the web going backwards or conceding that it was being somehow sabotaged by apps, but that in *relation to* the new possibilities opened up by native platforms that can do so much more, web pages may fulfill a role that they are more suited to — instead of them doing anything and  everything that anyone could possibly ever want to do on the internet from here on out. Direct connections via native apps are just another way to access internet based services, but they are more suited or more appropriate for many kinds of services.

    It’s like complaining that mobile phones are nuking landline based phones. You’re still communicating, “calling” via a device. In that sense a phone is a phone (as an internet service is an internet service). The only difference is that people are making far more phone calls where ever they happen to be (and sending texts and everything else) because of mobile phones; and the convenience and the amount of communication taking place has grown exponentially.

  • http://richardwillia.ms/ Richard Williams

    “But are these queries Google makes money off of?”
    “…that Google isn’t likely to earn off of.”
    “and thus potentially for Apple, if Apple’s paid off of ad revenues”
    “…instead of old corn cobs they have eaten all the kernels off of.”

    Interesting article. For information, the word you’re looking for in the above quotes is “from” not “off of”!

  • http://www.statsprofessor.org/ StatsProfesor

    iOS 6 will be nothing more than features taken from Android.  Apple stopped innovating 5 years ago. iMaps looks like another beta app which is already getting negative feedback.

    Consumers want choice and that’s not what Apple intends to give them.

    Let us get excited about 4″ screens and LTE…..

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rob-Ainscough/100003134647371 Rob Ainscough

    Google search is far more productive/efficient for me.  I’ve used Bing and Yahoo and rarely do they get results I need quickly and listed in good relevance/priority.  iOS 6 will (as expected) break or handicap older devices … this is Apple’s way of forcing people to buy the latest devices.  This practice was done with the original 3G iPhone, MacPro 1,1 computers (will not work on OSX Mountain Lion) where a new iOS/OSX basically rendering devices useless … a device that “was” functioning perfectly.  Apple EOL hardware pretty rapidly.

    The “sandbox” in iOS (i.e. not permitting Flash and Silverlight and 3rd party browser add-ins, except Quicktime of course) is a serious step backwards and isn’t something consumers want. Sadly Microsoft are following the same route rather than thinking about what consumers really want.

    Technology wise, Apple is pretty tapped out … Siri slows me down, doesn’t make life easier, just the opposite … more frustration in repeating and doing many steps very “slowly” that can be accomplish is 1/100th of the time with one’s fingers.  We’re just not there yet for voice recognition, just don’t have the processing power in “mobile” devices (not even in desktop computers) — probably a good 20-30 years out before voice recognition becomes as efficient as one’s fingers.

    As far as Google and Android … we need competition, Apple’s business practices are positively scary and certainly NOT consumer/market driven any more.  The only sad part about this Google/Apple love/hate is that Microsoft aren’t thinking long term and pretty much do whatever Apple does in an attempt to “keep up” — this is going to be a real problem for Microsoft.  Microsoft should be taking this opportunity to drop Bing and support Google … both have a better chance together than going it alone.

  • Jamey Kirby

    Google does not need Apple anymore. Android has passed Apple in number of phones and Android sales are growing at staggering rates. The open distribution model for Android will kill Apple unless Mr. Cook opens the app platform as to not require marshal law in the Apple app domain.

  • Badal Ashar

    Youre right about competition. Apple has owned the tablet market due to the lag in Android resulting in a poor user experience with an android based tablet. Guess what.. that lag has been fixed. Check out the nexus 7. I expect a Nexus 10″ to be available within a year. I guess competition goes both ways and google could also go for Apples jugular.. he he.