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		<title>Got Bad Incoming Links? Google Says, &#8220;Don&#8217;t Fret It&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Barry Schwartz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Google Webmaster Central blog has a post on &#8220;dealing&#8221; with low quality backlinks.  In that post, Google basically explains that incoming links is &#8220;just one of many&#8221; ranking factors.  That being the case, Google says if you have bad quality incoming links, &#8220;don&#8217;t fret&#8221; it and focus on things you can control, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fgot-bad-incoming-links-google-says-dont-fret-it-27974"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fgot-bad-incoming-links-google-says-dont-fret-it-27974" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>The Google Webmaster Central blog has <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/10/dealing-with-low-quality-backlinks.html">a post</A> on &#8220;dealing&#8221; with low quality backlinks.  In that post, Google basically explains that incoming links is &#8220;just one of many&#8221; ranking factors.  That being the case, Google says if you have bad quality incoming links, &#8220;don&#8217;t fret&#8221; it and focus on things you can control, like your content.</p>
<p>Google does offer advice, such as asking the source of the link to remove your site from their page.  If that doesn&#8217;t work, there is not much you can do.  There is currently no tool in Webmaster Tools to communicate to Google to ignore certain links from sources on the Internet. </p>
<p>Google explains that over time they remove low quality sources from their index, so these links should not hurt you over time.  Google recommends you report low quality sites in their <A href="https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/spamreport">spam report</a> tool or <a href="https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/paidlinks">paid link report</a>.</p>
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		<title>Are You Helping Facebook Outrank You For Your Brand Name?</title>
		<link>http://searchengineland.com/are-you-helping-facebook-outrank-you-for-your-brand-name-22238</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Barry Schwartz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Facebook allows you to embed fan pages on your own site, which might result in Facebook outranking you for your own brand name.  For example, the Search Engine Land fan page has a link for me to &#8220;add a fan box to your site.&#8221;  If you look at the code of that widget, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fare-you-helping-facebook-outrank-you-for-your-brand-name-22238"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fare-you-helping-facebook-outrank-you-for-your-brand-name-22238" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>Facebook allows you to embed fan pages on your own site, which might result in Facebook outranking you for your own brand name.  For example, the Search Engine Land <A href="http://www.facebook.com/searchengineland">fan page</a> has a link for me to &#8220;add a fan box to your site.&#8221;  If you look at the code of that widget, you might notice Facebook is using your brand name as the anchor text to the Facebook URL.  Since the URL is search engine friendly and since Facebook has a lot of link popularity and trust, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see some Facebook pages outranking the official brand web site, due to this new gadget code.</p>
<p>Here is a screen capture of the code:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/rustybrick/3706959723/" title="Facebook Gadget Code by rustybrick, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3467/3706959723_daa3b8e858.jpg" width="427" height="292" alt="Facebook Gadget Code" /></a></p>
<p>I want you to notice this part of the code:</p>
<blockquote><p>&lt;a href=&#8221;http://www.facebook.com/searchengineland&#8221;&gt;Search Engine Land&lt;/a&gt; on Facebook</p></blockquote>
<p>As you can see, that is rich anchor text pointing to Facebook.  Potentially, Facebook can outrank this site for our own name. So, if you are concerned about that, beware on how you use this gadget and where you use it.  Of course, you can always slap on the nofollow attribute to the link, so Google won&#8217;t pass along any juice to that page.</p>
<p>Hat tip to Sam from <a href="http://www.ohnuts.com/">OhNuts</a> for sending this my way.</p>
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		<title>Google Loses &#8220;Backwards Compatibility&#8221; On Paid Link Blocking &amp; PageRank Sculpting</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Imagine that you fired up your computer and found that a bunch of your  programs no longer worked, because behind the scenes, the operating system had  been upgraded without any backwards compatibility. That&#8217;s what happened this  week with Google. Some things that were working just fine now are broken,  because Google [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fgoogle-loses-backwards-compatibility-on-paid-link-blocking-pagerank-sculpting-20408"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fgoogle-loses-backwards-compatibility-on-paid-link-blocking-pagerank-sculpting-20408" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>Imagine that you fired up your computer and found that a bunch of your  programs no longer worked, because behind the scenes, the operating system had  been upgraded without any backwards compatibility. That&#8217;s what happened this  week with Google. Some things that were working just fine now are broken,  because Google isn&#8217;t being backwards compatible. And that&#8217;s fairly  unprecedented.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t panic. One of the changes really shouldn&#8217;t hurt many sites, impacting  only a &#8220;power SEO&#8221; technique commonly called PageRank sculpting that I&#8217;d say  fairly few use. The other has a bigger impact and potentially means thousands of  sites may now be violating Google&#8217;s rules on paid link without knowing it. But  that&#8217;s not likely to have an immediate impact. I&#8217;ll explain both changes in more  depth below.</p>
<p>The most important thing is that in both cases, the changes may require site  owners to alter their web sites not because they were &#8220;chasing the algorithm&#8221;  but instead because they were following Google&#8217;s own rules and instructions.  They were doing what was advised, and now they may have to undo that work.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the unprecedented part. Google has constantly upgraded how it deals  with site content, from early advances like indexing PDF documents to later  changes like showing &#8220;sitelinks&#8221; for web sites. These upgrades have been  generally good and involved little to no work on the part of the site owner, until now.</p>
<p><strong>PageRank Sculpting: Spending A Page&#8217;s Authority Money</strong></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take <a href="../../sculpting-your-pagerank-for-maximum-seo-impact-12982">PageRank  sculpting</a>. In general, every individual web page that Google finds has some  degree of importance that the page can pass on to other pages &#8212; <a href="../../what-is-google-pagerank-a-guide-for-searchers-webmasters-11068">PageRank</a>.  Links from that page to other pages are how it passes that importance along. And  in its most basic, earliest form, each link on the page equally shared some of  the importance.</p>
<p>Consider it like this. Imagine authority is money, and a particular page has  $10 in &#8220;authority&#8221; to spend. It links out to 10 pages, so each of those pages  gets $1 ($10 divided by 10). If it links to 20 pages, each gets 50 cents ($10  divided by 20). If it links to 5 pages, each page gets $2 (you get the math by  now).</p>
<p>With PageRank sculpting, the idea is to effectively block some of the links  on your web page (using the <a href="http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=96569">nofollow attribute</a> or some other means) from getting  any authority. Perhaps you have a lot of navigational links to other pages  inside your web site. Rather than spend authority money on these pages, you  might prefer to spend it on a smaller number of important pages that could use a  boost.</p>
<p><strong>PageRank Sculpting Gets Popular</strong></p>
<p>This technique has been around for ages and had various names until the  middle of 2007. That&#8217;s when it went more mainstream in the advanced SEO space.  And in particular, it went that way I feel because Google spam fighting czar  Matt Cutts talked about how Google&#8217;s YouTube was using PageRank sculpting during  an open discussion at Google with a variety of advanced SEO people about techniques and issues.</p>
<p>I recall it being described as a means to ensure your best pages got the most  PageRank. I also recall being kind of annoyed about it (and think I said so  during the meeting). For years, we&#8217;d been told that site owners shouldn&#8217;t have  to do extraordinary things to help search engines. Good page titles, good  ability to be crawled, sure. But having to think about things on a link-by-link  basis? That&#8217;s something I assumed Google was already up to snuff about. My  assumption had been that Google long decided to discount how much credit it  assigned to things like navigational links, when it could see the same links  appearing on multiple pages within the same web site.</p>
<p>Now to be clear, it&#8217;s not like Matt told everyone in the room to immediately  do PageRank sculpting. Many topics were discussed, and this was just one of many  things covered. But it was advice that came from Google &#8212; and it turned into a  genie that wouldn&#8217;t go into the bottle.</p>
<p>Soon after, Rand Fishkin at SEOmoz did an <a href="http://www.seomoz.org/blog/questions-answers-with-googles-spam-guru">article</a> about the topic, and more soon followed on the web. It was a topic at  conferences. It was a hot new fashion in SEO. And while plenty in the SEO space  will chase after the latest (and often useless) algorithm fad &#8212; this was a  chase sparked by Google itself. Why wouldn&#8217;t advanced people do it?</p>
<p><strong>PageRank Sculpting Gets Debated</strong></p>
<p>Not everyone agreed it was helpful. There&#8217;s been quite a bit of <a href="http://www.seomoz.org/blog/sculpting-with-nofollow-works-pretty-darn-well">debate</a> on whether it gives boost or not. <a href="../../youd-be-wise-to-nofollow-this-dubious-seo-advice-13524">Some</a> <a href="../../seo-vs-web-site-architecture-16628">have</a> argued against using it at all. And the search engines, when asked about it  since it gained popularity, have generally said that there are other things that  are better worth the effort. But neither had they ruled it out. As I summarized  <a href="../../no-advanced-seo-does-not-mean-spamming-14165">last  year</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I agree with the view that sculpting is a marginal activity compared to other  things that can be done. But if you’re an advanced SEO — even someone advanced  in terms of working with design issues — maybe it’s not so marginal. The search  engines themselves are saying it has some value. They’ve not said it’s a flat  out waste of time. And if you’ve mastered all the other things that are much  more important, then yes, something like this may very well be worth giving more  attention to.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or as Michael Gray <a href="http://www.wolf-howl.com/seo/nofollow-pagerank-sculpting-worth-effort/">explained</a>,  if you&#8217;re driving a beat-up old car of a web site, putting a PageRank sculpting  &#8220;engine&#8221; in it probably isn&#8217;t worthwhile. But if you&#8217;ve got a hot new sports  car, well&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>PageRank Sculpting Gets Depreciated</strong></p>
<p>So today at <a href="http://searchmarketingexpo.com/advanced">SMX Advanced</a>, sculpting was being discussed, and then Matt Cutts  dropped a bomb shell that it no longer works to help flow more PageRank to the  unblocked pages. Again &#8212; and being really simplistic here &#8212; if you have $10 in  authority to spend on those ten links, and you block 5 of them, the other 5  aren&#8217;t going to get $2 each. They&#8217;re still getting $1. It&#8217;s just that the other  $5 you thought you were saving is now going to waste.</p>
<p>Further, it was explained that YouTube wasn&#8217;t doing sculpting way back in  2007 as a way to boost certain video content. Instead, it was that YouTube  randomly shows some video content and didn&#8217;t want these random selections to  perhaps gain more authority than they should. And even with the change announced  today, that still works. In the past, the unblocked videos got more authority  money and the blocked ones got none. Now, the unblocked videos still get  authority money &#8212; just not as much &#8212; and the blocked ones still get none.</p>
<p>But while that may be how it works on YouTube, I still recall PageRank  sculpting being positioned by Google as a way to also give some pages more link  juice. To <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Webmaster_Help-Indexing/browse_thread/thread/cf504ffd28b6bb68/21b12da30e8b0de2?q=nofollow">quote</a> Matt when asked about this in an official Google thread:</p>
<blockquote><p>What are some appropriate ways to use the nofollow tag? One good example is  the home page of expedia.com. If you visit that page, you&#8217;ll see that the &#8220;Sign  in&#8221; link is nofollow&#8217;ed. That&#8217;s a great use of the tag: Googlebot isn&#8217;t going to  know how to sign into expedia.com, <strong>so why waste that PageRank </strong>on a page  that wouldn&#8217;t benefit users or convert any new visitors? Likewise, the &#8220;My  itineraries&#8221; link on expedia.com is nofollow&#8217;ed as well. That&#8217;s another page  that wouldn&#8217;t really convert well or have any use except for signed in users, so  the nofollow on Expedia&#8217;s home page means that Google won&#8217;t crawl those specific  links.</p>
<p>Most webmasters don&#8217;t need to worry about sculpting the flow of PageRank on  their site, but if you want to try advanced things with nofollow to send less  PageRank to copyright pages, terms of service, privacy pages, etc., that&#8217;s your  call.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve bolded the key part. Matt stresses &#8212; as he&#8217;s consistently done since  talking about this at the SEO meeting &#8212; that this is something most people  didn&#8217;t need to worry about or do. But saying &#8220;why waste that PageRank&#8221; means that at  the time of giving this advice, PageRank was something that could be &#8220;saved&#8221; and  &#8220;spent&#8221; on other pages.</p>
<p>You can expect Matt will do a blog post to cover this topic more. You can  expect lots of people to be analyzing the change, and what it might or might not  mean. And you should really understand that it was never the case that links  shared equally in the amount of authority money a page had. In talking  with Matt during the &#8220;You &amp; A Session&#8221; at SMX Advanced, he confirmed that  Google itself makes many determinations of how exactly a page can spend that  authority money. IE &#8212; while a page might have $10 to spend, Google itself  largely acts as the page&#8217;s investment banker, not the page&#8217;s author.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t panic and immediately start removing nofollow attributes that have  been done for PageRank sculpting purposes. In general, I&#8217;d never recommend  changing anything to a site that seems to be performing well. Take the time to  let more discussion and information come from Google and other sources.</p>
<p><strong>JavaScript onClick &amp; Paid Link Worries</strong></p>
<p>Those who PageRank sculpted following Google&#8217;s advice may have spent time  doing something that no longer will work, or work as effectively, but they&#8217;ve  not necessarily wasted time. Maybe it was helping them some in the past (plenty  believe this). And they might not have to spend time removing it, any more than  there are plenty of sites that still have <a href="../../meta-robots-tag-101-blocking-spiders-cached-pages-more-10665">meta  keywords tags</a> in place even though widespread search engine support of this  was dropped long ago. That&#8217;s good depreciation, or effectively backwards  compatibility. No one needs to change anything because the sites still keep  &#8220;working&#8221; despite the past support being gone.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a different case with Google&#8217;s new handling of JavaScript&#8217;s &#8220;onClick&#8221;  function. To fully understand it, read Vanessa Fox&#8217;s in-depth report from last  week, <a href="../../google-io-new-advances-in-the-searchability-of-javascript-and-flash-but-is-it-enough-19881">Google  I/O: New Advances In The Searchability of JavaScript and Flash, But Is It  Enough?</a>, which broke the news here.</p>
<p>Links in JavaScript that were invisible to Google before are now being read.  And some people have used JavaScript as a way to deliver paid links in a way  that don&#8217;t violate Google&#8217;s guidelines may not technically on the wrong side of  the Google law. It&#8217;s been a long accepted practice that this was a &#8220;safe&#8221; way to  deal with paid links, once that Google&#8217;s suggested itself.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s as if Google has suddenly passed a new safety helmet law for web sites,  mandating that the old helmets they&#8217;d been using are no longer good enough. Now  they need to do something different.</p>
<p>What about nofollow? After all, <a href="../../time-for-google-to-give-up-the-fight-against-paid-links-11021">Google&#8217;s  been pushing nofollow</a> as something sites should do as a safety device for  paid links long after paid links themselves had been in existence.</p>
<p>True, and there are plenty of sites out there that have never caught up with  this new Google guideline (and still sucky for those who really still innocently  don&#8217;t know better). But that&#8217;s different than sites that thought they were doing  the right thing and now which have to change again.</p>
<p>For the record, Matt said today that there&#8217;s no immediate penalties likely  to be given out. Honestly, I think the spam team is still having to digest how  to handle this change that&#8217;s been brought about by Google&#8217;s crawling team. And  he also said that the nofollow attribute can be applied to JavaScript links that  are not otherwise being redirected through a robots.txt block.</p>
<p>As I said in the case of PageRank sculpting, I wouldn&#8217;t immediately panic.  But unlike with PageRank sculpting, if you&#8217;re selling paid links and thought  JavaScript was protecting you, I would fairly quickly ensure that redirects are  blocked by using nofollow within the JavaScript itself or by going through a  robots.txt block.</p>
<p>(For an example of this, our paid links get delivered through JavaScript  generated by Google Ad Manager. The links all get redirected through this  domain &#8212; http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net &#8212; and you can see from the  robots.txt file <a href="http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/robots.txt">there</a> that search  engines aren&#8217;t allowed to crawl it. So, the links pass no authority on to other  pages)</p>
<p><strong>Backwards Compatibility Is Important</strong></p>
<p>Overall, I want Google to keep advancing. But it needs to ensure that the  changes don&#8217;t dramatically cause more work for site owners, as a result. We need  a period of backwards compatibility in terms of Google indexing, just as much as  it&#8217;s helpful with computer operating systems.</p>
<p>For more about the discussions today out of SMX Advanced, also see these  selected stories from the live blogging <a href="../../smx-advanced-day-1-live-blogging-coverage-20386">round-up</a>:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://seogadget.co.uk/duplicate-content-solutions-the-canonical-tag-smx-advanced-coverage-2009/">Duplicate  Content Solutions &amp; The Canonical Tag &#8211; SMX Advanced Coverage 2009</a>, SEO  Gadget</li>
<li><a href="http://outspokenmedia.com/seo/canonical-tag/">Duplicate Content  Solutions &amp; The Canonical Tag</a>, outspokenmedia.com</li>
<li><a href="http://outspokenmedia.com/internet-marketing-conferences/beyond-the-usual-link-building/">Beyond  the Usual Link Building</a>, outspokenmedia.com</li>
<li><a href="http://seogadget.co.uk/beyond-the-usual-linkbuilding-smx-advanced-2009/">Beyond  the usual linkbuilding &#8211; SMX Advanced 2009</a>, SEO Gadget</li>
<li><a href="http://blog.search-mojo.com/2009/06/02/live-from-smx-advanced-beyond-the-usual-link-building/">Live  from SMX Advanced: Beyond the Usual Link Building</a>, Search Marketing Sage</li>
<li><a href="http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/archives/2009/06/nofollow_makes.html">Nofollow  Makes News at SMX Advanced</a>, BruceClay.com</li>
<li><a href="http://outspokenmedia.com/internet-marketing-conferences/chat-with-matt-cutts/">You&amp;A  With Matt Cutts</a>, outspokenmedia.com</li>
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		<title>Google Penalizes Google Japan For Buying Links</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Barry Schwartz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt Cutts twittered that Google.co.jp was penalized for paying for blogger reviews.  If you look at the FriendFeed details, you will see Matt first said, &#8220;Google.co.jp PageRank is now ~5 instead of ~9. I expect that to remain for a while.&#8221;  And then when he was questioned if this was a paid link [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fgoogle-penalizes-google-japan-16541"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fgoogle-penalizes-google-japan-16541" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>Matt Cutts <a href="http://twitter.com/mattcutts/statuses/1200910626">twittered</a> that Google.co.jp was penalized for <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/09/pay-per-post-google-uses-every-trick-to-beat-yahoo-in-japan/">paying for blogger reviews</a>.  If you look at the <a href="http://friendfeed.com/e/46817cb9-5624-404f-a2ef-757bebd2a0b4/Google-co-jp-PageRank-is-now-5-instead-of-9-I/?login=1&amp;comment=46817cb9-5624-404f-a2ef-757bebd2a0b4">FriendFeed</a> details, you will see Matt first said, &#8220;Google.co.jp PageRank is now ~5 instead of ~9. I expect that to remain for a while.&#8221;  And then when he was questioned if this was a paid link penalty, he said &#8220;yes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Google Blogoscoped has more details about the why with their story named <a href="http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-02-10-n43.html">Google Japan Reportedly Bought Blog Posts in Promotion Campaign, Now Issued Apology</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Akky Akimoto at the Asiajin blog recently reported that Google Japan was paying bloggers to review a new Google widget. Using pay-per-post service CyberBuzz, blog posts like the following popped up, strangely resembling each other, as Asiajin reports.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Google Japan blog&#8217;s apology translated into:</p>
<blockquote><p>Google Japan is running several promotional activities to let people know more about our products.</p>
<p>It turns out that using blogs on the part of the promotional activities violates Google’s search guidelines, so we have ended the promotion. We would like to apologize to the people concerned and to our users, and are making an effort to make our communications more transparent in order to prevent the recurrence of such an incident.</p></blockquote>
<p>How long will this PageRank penalty last?  Matt Cutts of Google said, &#8220;I expect that to remain for a while.&#8221;  Any takers on what &#8220;a while&#8221; means?</p>
<p><strong>Postscript From Danny Sullivan: </strong></p>
<p><a href="../../official-selling-paid-links-can-hurt-your-pagerank-or-rankings-on-google-12360">Official: Selling Paid Links Can Hurt Your PageRank Or Rankings On Google</a> and <a href="../../the-2007-paid-links-war-in-review-13032">The 2007 Paid Links War, In Review</a> from Search Engine Land are past articles that provide further background about how Google has actively campaigned against sites either buying or selling links and implementing a range of penalties against those that do, including Google Toolbar <a href="http://searchengineland.com/what-is-google-pagerank-a-guide-for-searchers-webmasters-11068">PageRank</a> decreases.</p>
<p>While it might seem amazing that Google is penalizing itself, this isn&#8217;t the first time something like this has happened. Back in 2005, help pages for Google&#8217;s search appliance product <a href="http://www.threadwatch.org/node/1800">were found</a> to be cloaking content, showing Google&#8217;s spider something different than what human visitors see. When this was noticed, Google removed the pages from its index and required the team in charge of them to file a reinclusion request.</p>
<p>The penalty now applied to Google Japan will certainly help Google be seen as enforcing its rules fairly, even against itself. But I&#8217;d also expect it will reignite the paid link debate once again. If Google itself, however it happened, found itself in this situation &#8212; how are ordinary web sites to be expected to know the &#8220;rules&#8221; about what they can or cannot do?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d warn against anyone from seizing upon this as an excuse to buy or sell links, however. The bottom line in such cases &#8212; when someone has been caught &#8212; is really how important a site is to warrant inclusion. Large and important sites generally get a mild slap on the hand, just as Google is, in this case. They do not get banned permanently, as that would hurt the relevancy of Google&#8217;s results. Smaller sites that won&#8217;t be noticed if they go missing indeed might find themselves missing.</p>
<p>Matt&#8217;s on the Ask The Search Engines panel tomorrow at our <a href="http://searchmarketingexpo.com/west/">SMX West</a> conference, and has been busy there attending all this week. I expect he&#8217;ll likely address the issue a bit more on the panel and knowing Matt, I&#8217;d also expect he&#8217;ll probably do a fairly comprehensive review of the situation on <a href="http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/">his blog</a> after getting clear of the show. I could be wrong, of course, and I&#8217;m not trying to set expectations. That&#8217;s just what he&#8217;s tended to do with these types of issues &#8212; so if you were hoping for something longer from him other than a Twitter mention, I&#8217;d hang in there.</p>
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		<title>Google &amp; Microsoft Share Advice For Webmasters, SEOs</title>
		<link>http://searchengineland.com/google-msn-share-advice-for-webmasters-seos-15149</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Matt McGee</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ever-helpful teams writing for Google&#8217;s Webmaster Central blog and Microsoft Live Search&#8217;s Webmaster Center blog have published a variety of videos and presentations this week in the name of helping webmasters and search engine optimizers.
On the Live Search blog, Nathan Buggia recaps his SMX East presentation on Webmaster Guidelines, shares the slides from his [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fgoogle-msn-share-advice-for-webmasters-seos-15149"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fgoogle-msn-share-advice-for-webmasters-seos-15149" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>The ever-helpful teams writing for Google&#8217;s Webmaster Central blog and Microsoft Live Search&#8217;s Webmaster Center blog have published a variety of videos and presentations this week in the name of helping webmasters and search engine optimizers.</p>
<p><span id="more-15149"></span>On the Live Search blog, Nathan Buggia <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/webmaster/archive/2008/10/13/smx-east-2008-webmaster-guidelines.aspx">recaps</a> his SMX East presentation on Webmaster Guidelines, shares the slides from his talk, and expands on topics such as paid links, cloaking, and website penalties. He shares some detail on how Live Search handles paid links:</p>
<blockquote><p>Essentially we look at each link individually to understand the degree to which the site is really endorsing the link. So, while we most likely will not ban your site for buying or selling a few links, it is also likely that they may not actually end up providing any value either.</p></blockquote>
<p>In a <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/webmaster/archive/2008/10/15/smx-east-2008-unraveling-urls-and-demystifying-domains.aspx">separate post</a>, Nathan also shares his presentation on URLs and Domains. A third post recapping Live Search&#8217;s SMX East talks is promised, but hasn&#8217;t been published yet.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, over at the Google Webmaster Central blog, the team has <a href="http://docs.google.com/Present?docid=dc5x7mrn_245gf8kjwfx">created a presentation</a> called &#8220;Google for Webmasters.&#8221; It&#8217;s geared more toward beginner webmasters and covers Discoverability, Accessibility, Ranking, Webmaster Central, and Other Resources. The presentation dedicates an entire slide to emphasizing &#8212; or, more accurately, <em>de-emphasizing</em> &#8212; the importance of PageRank, and another slide answers the common question, Why do rankings change?</p>
<p><a title="Google Webmaster Presentation by Search Engine Land, on Flickr" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/23148333@N06/2946912183/"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3227/2946912183_e6be60ea8b.jpg" alt="Google Webmaster Presentation" width="500" height="206" /></a></p>
<p>You can see the full <a href="http://docs.google.com/Presentation?id=dc5x7mrn_245gf8kjwfx">slide presentation</a>, or watch a handful of separate videos on the <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/10/video-tutorial-google-for-webmasters.html">Webmaster Central blog</a>.</p>
<p>(Pssst. Yahoo, where are your slides from SMX East?)</p>
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		<title>Google Ends &#8220;Link Week&#8221; With Inbound Links Advice</title>
		<link>http://searchengineland.com/google-ends-link-week-with-inbound-links-advice-15021</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Barry Schwartz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Google has been posting advice on links all this week.  The two previous posts were on link architecture and external linking.  Yesterday&#8217;s post was on the topic of inbound links.
Google explains that inbound links not only bring you visitors but can positively influence your Google rankings.  But when can these links give [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fgoogle-ends-link-week-with-inbound-links-advice-15021"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fgoogle-ends-link-week-with-inbound-links-advice-15021" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>Google has been posting advice on links all <a href="http://searchengineland.com/google-webmaster-central-hosting-link-week-14961.php">this week</a>.  The two previous posts were on <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/10/importance-of-link-architecture.html">link architecture</a> and <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/10/linking-out-often-its-just-applying.html">external linking</a>.  Yesterday&#8217;s post was on the topic of <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/10/good-times-with-inbound-links.html">inbound links</a>.</p>
<p><span id="more-15021"></span>Google explains that inbound links not only bring you visitors but can positively influence your Google rankings.  But when can these links give you a positive boost in Google?  Google carefully writes, &#8220;when the links are merit-based and freely-volunteered as an editorial choice, they&#8217;re also one of the positive signals to Google about your site&#8217;s importance.&#8221;  Yes, only &#8220;merit-based and freely-volunteered as an editorial choice&#8221; types of links, not the other ones.  I find it funny how Google does not mention &#8220;paid&#8221; links at all in the post, instead, they make sure to mention &#8220;free&#8221; links.  </p>
<p>Google then gives some tips on how to get the links that can positively influence your rankings.  And then adds some tips on what not to do, such as &#8220;don&#8217;t engage in mass link-begging.&#8221;  Clearly, this post is not too detailed &#8211; I am personally a bit disappointed in that.  I should have known better, but I kind of was expecting more from this specific post.</p>
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		<title>Google Removes Directory Links From Webmaster Guidelines</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Barry Schwartz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian Ussery reported that Google has dropped two important bullet points from the Google Webmaster Guidelines.  Those bullet points include:

Have other relevant sites link to yours.
Submit your site to relevant directories such as the Open Directory Project and Yahoo!, as well as to other industry-specific expert sites.


At the same time, Google Blogoscoped reported that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fgoogle-removes-directory-links-from-webmaster-guidelines-14921"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fgoogle-removes-directory-links-from-webmaster-guidelines-14921" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>Brian Ussery <a href="http://www.beussery.com/blog/index.php/2008/10/google-no-longer-suggests-directory-submission/">reported</a> that Google has dropped two important bullet points from the <a href="http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=35769">Google Webmaster Guidelines</a>.  Those bullet points include:</p>
<ul>
<li>Have other relevant sites link to yours.</li>
<li>Submit your site to relevant directories such as the Open Directory Project and Yahoo!, as well as to other industry-specific expert sites.</li>
</ul>
<p><span id="more-14921"></span>
At the same time, Google Blogoscoped <a href="http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-10-03-n37.html">reported</a> that Google removed the dictionary link in the search results, at the top right of the results page.  Related, I am not sure.</p>
<p>I <a href="http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/018387.html">speculated</a> that maybe Google is going to go after more directories in the future.  By removing those two bullet points, maybe Google can do this &#8211; without seeming all that hypocritical.  In addition, I noted a comment from Google John Mueller at a <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Webmaster_Help-chit-chat/browse_thread/thread/f943766fde76e87e">Google Groups</a> thread where he explained the logic behind removing those two points:</p>
<blockquote><p>I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily assume that we&#8217;re devaluing Yahoo&#8217;s links, I just think it&#8217;s not one of the things we really need to recommend. If people think that a directory is going to bring them lots of visitors (I had a visitor from the DMOZ once), then it&#8217;s obviously fine to get listed there. It&#8217;s not something that people have to do though :-).</p></blockquote>
<p>As you can imagine, this is causing a bit of a commotion in some of the forums.  Some are worried, some are mad, and some are confused by the change.</p>
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		<title>Conversation With An Idiot Link Broker</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Debate continues about      Google&#8217;s war on paid links. But regardless of where you stand, I think      most people would agree buying and selling is risky behavior. You don&#8217;t      really want the world to know you&#8217;re doing it. And if you&#8217;re [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fconversation-with-an-idiot-link-broker-14862"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fconversation-with-an-idiot-link-broker-14862" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>Debate continues about     <a href="../../the-2007-paid-links-war-in-review-13032.php"> Google&#8217;s war on paid links</a>. But regardless of where you stand, I think      most people would agree buying and selling is risky behavior. You don&#8217;t      really want the world to know you&#8217;re doing it. And if you&#8217;re going to engage      in paid links, I think many would agree you shouldn&#8217;t be trying to trick      people into something that might cause them harm. This week, from my inbox,      an example of a company going wrong on both counts.</p>
<p><span id="more-14862"></span>I get requests for us to sell links from Search Engine Land and Sphinn      all the time. We don&#8217;t do that. Personally, I disagree with selling credit      to other sites in this way. From a business perspective, it would be pretty      hard for a leading industry site about search marketing to think it could      sell links without that being noticed and dinged by Google.</p>
<p>When I do get requests, they&#8217;re typically sent to a generic webmaster      address, with a pitch that mentions our sites. These consistently reflect      stupidity to me. They come from people who have taken no time at all to      understand what our sites are about (often they have a generic pitch about      how links and search engines work, you know, because that&#8217;s something we      clearly have never covered here).</p>
<p>Send me a stupid request like this, and I&#8217;ll typically send it over to      Google. Don&#8217;t like that? Then don&#8217;t be an idiot and send these type of      things to me. Link requests like this simply demonstrate pure incompetence      on the part of a paid link broker.</p>
<p>On now to this week&#8217;s fun. Normally if I have a few minutes, I&#8217;ll ask a      follow-up question about link pitch. Then typically, someone takes a closer      look at my site and runs away quickly. Not this time. This conversation went      on and on. Let&#8217;s dive in.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>We are currently wondering if you accept &#8220;paid&#8221; advertising on your      website. We are looking to place a text link URL reading &#8220;search engine      optimisation&#8221; which will then link to [SITE URL REMOVED] once clicked.      Ideally, we want this to appear on the home page and carry through all pages      of your website. Please can you let me if this is possible and if so, how      much? </em></p></blockquote>
<p>Notice there&#8217;s no mention of any risk. This is fairly typical of messages      like this. They also tend to suggest this is advertising of some type. And      it is, but again, advertising with a risk to those who might innocently      accept it.</p>
<p>This was sent to our <a href="http://sphinn.com/">Sphinn</a> forum site,      and you&#8217;d think the person doing it would have some idea that we know about      paid links. Certainly they should have enough brains to know that no, we&#8217;re      not going to do something like this &#8212; nor would they want us to.</p>
<p>I mean, when you have the likes of Google&#8217;s     <a href="http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/">Matt Cutts</a> &#8212; who heads      Google&#8217;s spam team &#8212; visiting Sphinn on a regular basis, that&#8217;s the kind of      link he&#8217;ll notice. It&#8217;s sort of like waving a red flag at a bull. And if      this SEO company is too stupid to realize that when building links for      themselves, what type of mess will they get their clients into?</p>
<p>I wrote back:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>We don&#8217;t currently do this. Aren&#8217;t there some kind of search engine        issues involved if we did it? I thought I read about something like this        on some site about SEO news, that Google doesn&#8217;t like it?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>And was told:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Many websites do this &#8211; for a fee. However, I understand your concern;    would it be possible to get a link on your home page or through a select    amount instead?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>And responded:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>I suppose we could sell a link on just our home page or certain select      pages, but you didn&#8217;t cover my concern. Will that get me in some type of      trouble? Or is it only an issue if you sell links on every page of your web      site. I just remember reading something on some site about internet      marketing news (can&#8217;t remember which one) that somehow it might be bad or      get you in trouble.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Twice now I&#8217;ve mentioned reading some sites about internet marketing and      SEO news. If this person had carefully researched Sphinn, it should have      registered that there was no way they&#8217;d be wanting a link from us. But nope.      They came back with:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>It&#8217;s called outbound links and they are relevant to what you do.        It&#8217;s basically a form of Search Engine Optimisation. The more relevant the        link is, the better it is and can even create a higher page ranking. As an        SEO and PPC Google Qualified company, this would not be in our best        interest to link up to companies that can get either party in trouble.        Feel free to check our website so you can see just how credible we are. We        have offices in the UK, Spain and the United States. This shouldn&#8217;t be an        issue at all.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Wow. Before this, I had indeed checked out the company. They offer a      range of online marketing services and proudly sport a &#8220;Google AdWords      Qualified Company&#8221; logo. And in this message, that&#8217;s being used to confuse      me to think they&#8217;re somehow &#8220;SEO qualified,&#8221; something Google doesn&#8217;t do.</p>
<p>A slight ding to Google here. I understand the ad side of the house is      different from the search team. That&#8217;s why you still carry ads that appear      for terms like <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=cloaking"> cloaking</a> or from paid link ad companies, despite the search term telling      site owners not to do such tings. But maybe that church-and-state divide      needs to be broken down a bit more. One of the qualifications to be     <a href="https://adwords.google.com/select/ProfessionalWelcome">Google      Advertising Professional</a> probably should be that you don&#8217;t lie or      mislead clients, paid search or not.</p>
<p>The response was also amazing that I was being reassured that they&#8217;re      credible in the same breath where they&#8217;re lying (or incredibly ignorant)      that this is a trouble-free activity. I responded:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>I can see the &#8220;AdWords&#8221; qualification from Google on your site now      that I&#8217;ve looked, but where&#8217;s the thing about being SEO qualified by Google.      I didn&#8217;t realize they did that.</em></p>
<p><em>The site looks really credible. But I still am worried about that paid link      stuff. I read it on some news site, Search Engine Land or something like      that maybe? But I can&#8217;t remember. Anyway, I went over to Google&#8217;s web site      to see if they had stuff. I found this     <a href="http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=66736"> page</a>.</em></p>
<p><em>They make it sound like selling links is bad, unless I use this nofollow      thing? Is that what you want me to do?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Honestly, I figured this would be it. I mean, I&#8217;m mentioning Search      Engine Land now. And I&#8217;m pointing at Google&#8217;s page that warns against buying      or selling links, unless link credit is blocked:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Buying or selling links that pass PageRank is in violation of Google&#8217;s      webmaster guidelines and can negatively impact a site&#8217;s ranking in search      results.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>As I said earlier, people disagree on whether Google should take this      stance. They even disagree over whether people really do get punished (big      sites tend not to be banished from the index). But I think virtually      everyone would agree that there is risk involved, if you care about your      Google rankings. And so far, this company hasn&#8217;t acknowledged that in its      pitch to me. So after pointing out what Google says, they responded:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Within the article that you sent me, Google does specify: &#8220;A site&#8217;s      ranking in Google search results is partly based on analysis of those sites      that link to it&#8221; and &#8220;Both the quantity and, more importantly, the quality      of links count towards this rating.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>As we are a credible and relative company, this does not do harm and if      anything, is a good link.</em></p>
<p><em>More importantly,</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;Not all paid links violate our guidelines. Buying and selling links is a      normal part of the economy of the web when done for advertising purposes,      and not for manipulation of search results. Links purchased for advertising      should be designated as such. This can be done in several ways, such as:</em></p>
<ul>
<li><em>Adding a rel=&#8221;nofollow&#8221; attribute to the &lt;a&gt; tag</em></li>
<li><em>****Redirecting the links to an intermediate page that is blocked          from search engines with a robots.txt file****</em></li>
</ul>
<p><em>The last paragraph is exactly what we are asking you to do, which is      within Google&#8217;s guidelines. There is no such thing as SEO qualified, but we      are qualified and regulated by Google for our ad words and services.</em></p>
<p><em>We just want a link text that reads &#8216;Search Engine Optimisation&#8217; and once      clicked, goes to [REMOVED]</em></p>
<p><em>I don&#8217;t want you feeling uncomfortable, but this is a completely normal      practice for a credible company with a quality page rank and quality      relevance. </em></p>
<p><em>Have a think and let me know if you wish to proceed.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Are you kidding me? How do I hate this response? Let me bulletpoint the      ways:</p>
<ul>
<li>They continue to simultaneously lie to me and tell me they are a        credible company.</li>
<li>Suddenly, they say I should block the flow of PageRank from this link        to their site, which was NOT mentioned before and which I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re        only saying because they think they can trick me another way out of doing        this.</li>
<li>After telling me they were SEO qualified by Google, now they admit        &#8220;there&#8217;s no such thing&#8221; but still try to make it seem like they have some        type of Google approval for their actions.</li>
<li>And they close again by lying to me about how &#8220;normal&#8221; this is for a        &#8220;credible&#8221; company</li>
</ul>
<p>Again, I respond:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Sorry to go on about this, but it&#8217;s easy to get nervous with all the      information and misinformation out there.</em></p>
<p><em>So you want me to put up a link that goes to [REMOVED], but you want me to      set up some type of redirect in between that&#8217;s blocked, right? So like      maybe&#8230;</em></p>
<p><em>From <a href="http://sphinn.com/" target="_blank">sphinn.com</a>&#8217;s home page      to <a href="http://sphinn.com/block.php" target="_blank"> sphinn.com/block.php</a> (which we&#8217;d block Google from spidering) to      [REMOVED]? And that meets the guidelines. OR is there another way you want      it setup?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Turns out, I was right about them not really wanting me to do      redirection. They responded:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Hello, all I want is a link that says the phrase &#8216;Search Engine      Optimisation&#8217; and once that word is clicked on, it takes users to [REMOVED]</em></p>
<p><em>If you look on the website [NEW WEBSITE REMOVED] and go to the bottom of the      page, you will see the link that says search engine optimisation and it      appears on every page of that website and it takes people to our website.</em></p>
<p><em>This is what I am asking for, is this possible?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>As you can see, no redirection is involved. I think they assumed I was      ignorant enough to believe that clicking on a link and getting to a new site      was the same thing as &#8220;redirecting the links to an intermediate page that is      blocked from search engines with a robots.txt file.&#8221; You also have to      appreciate how they tell a complete stranger about a site that&#8217;s apparently      linking to them through a paid deal.</p>
<p>I went back yet again, to the point and making it clear that I understood      what was going on:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>I don&#8217;t see how I could do this. That&#8217;s a direct link to your web      site. No redirection, no blocking through nofollow. It&#8217;s exactly the      opposite of what that Google page said is allowable. If you can explain to      me how it does fit in the Google guidelines, then I&#8217;ll consider it. Are you      sure doing that would be all ethical and OK according to Google?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>And they came back with:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>To be honest Danny, I&#8217;d rather not bother as it seems you haven&#8217;t even      checked the website I showed you as an example. If you read the Google      guidelines again, it says PAID ADVERTISING IS NOT ALWAYS ILLEGAL IF DONE      PROPERLY.</em></p>
<p><em>I don&#8217;t know what to suggest, it&#8217;s an outbound link that will benefit you in      turn as we are a page rank 6 on Google.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Hey, I&#8217;m a PageRank 6 as well. I mean     <a href="http://battellemedia.com/archives/004639.php">I used to be</a> PR7      before     <a href="../../yahoo-search-update-google-toolbar-pagerank-update-14836.php"> this week&#8217;s update</a>, so I&#8217;m glad to learn all the hard work here at      Search Engine Land means we&#8217;re reported with a visible rating from Google&#8217;s      Toolbar to be equivalent in quality to this crappy SEO firm. OK, when I      looked, turns out they are PR5. So I guess I can feel slightly better.</p>
<p>Anyway, I digress from the main point. Is this person continuing to lie      to me or just grossly ignorant of the technical issues involved? It doesn&#8217;t      matter &#8212; no one should be dealing with them, much less the company that      employs them. To help in their education, I wrote back:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>I did check the example. There&#8217;s no nofollow; there&#8217;s no robots.txt      blocking. It does not meet the Google guidelines for what&#8217;s acceptable as a      paid link, as far as I can tell.</em></p>
<p><em>I&#8217;m fairly familiar with the Google guidelines having written about Google      and SEO for the past 13 years now. But I&#8217;ll check with someone over there      within their search quality team and see if the example you&#8217;ve sent me is      indeed acceptable.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d love to think there was an &#8220;oh shit&#8221; moment when this arrived in      their email box, that maybe they finally comprehended that I wasn&#8217;t some      ignorant web site owner who could be coaxed into doing something that might      harm my site but instead someone with a pretty good line of communication      directly into the heart of Google&#8217;s spam team. But I kind of doubt it. They      seem pretty stupid.</p>
<p>By the way, Google did tell me the link wasn&#8217;t acceptable. Plus, they      were already well aware of this particular company, having received reports      from others including SEOs who seemed as disgusted with them as I am.</p>
<p>As I started out with, there are plenty of people who disagree over the      paid link issue, plus whether Google actually penalizes sites that hard for      it. That disagreement is no excuse for unethical behavior. And there is      unethical behavior in search marketing, and this is a perfect example of it.      No risk was disclosed. When asked repeatedly about risk issues, they were      denied.</p>
<p>Companies that do this sort of thing should be ashamed. If they or  individuals want to do what Jeremy Schoemaker is writing about today in <a href="http://www.shoemoney.com/2008/09/30/the-screw-google-mentality/">The  Screw Google Mentality</a>, where they do what they want and don&#8217;t worry about  what Google cares, that&#8217;s fine. It&#8217;s not a new concept, and there have been  plenty of people over the years who have understood that they don&#8217;t have to  follow Google&#8217;s rules as long as they don&#8217;t want Google&#8217;s traffic (sadly, far  more people rather break the rules knowingly and then whine when they&#8217;ve been  hurt).</p>
<p>If you make the decision for yourself, are prepared to accept the  consequences, then do as you please. But no one should be dragging others into a  potential mess without making them aware of the risks. You want to buy links or  be a link broker? Then be upfront that this is an activity that Google does not  like and that the faint hearted shouldn&#8217;t apply. Only after you&#8217;ve scared the  heck out of them should you start talking about the ways that you&#8217;ll try to  reduce the risk, if they choose to carry on.</p>
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		<title>FindLaw Hit By Long Arm Of The Google Law Over Paid Links</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Barry Schwartz</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Ffindlaw-hit-by-long-arm-of-the-google-law-over-paid-links-14637"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Ffindlaw-hit-by-long-arm-of-the-google-law-over-paid-links-14637" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>Toolbar PageRank penalties are nothing new to the SEO world, we see them all the time.   But when Todd Friesen <a href="http://www.oilman.ca/random/shame-shame-shame-findlaw/">broke</a> the news that FindLaw.com is marketing a new advertising service to sell links that will &#8220;help you increase your company&#8217;s visibility, rank and penetration within natural search results on major search engines such as Google,&#8221; as the FindLaw email said, the legal industry was somewhat shocked.</p>
<p>Back in October 2007, we reported that Google <a href="http://searchengineland.com/071007-173841.php">officially</a> said that selling or buying links can hurt your PageRank and/or rankings in Google.  We then saw the sledge hammer hit and sites <a href="http://searchengineland.com/071029-084449.php">noticed</a> that their <a href="http://searchengineland.com/070426-011828.php#internal">Toolbar PageRank</a> scores dropped drastically.  But even with all this publicity and all the official Google documentation, FindLaw.com managed to send out an email marketing blast to sell text links that are marketed to increase a site&#8217;s rankings.</p>
<p>What happened?  FindLaw.com noticed that their Toolbar PageRank score dropped from a 7 to a 5.</p>
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Google&#8217;s Matt Cutts even <a href="http://www.oilman.ca/random/shame-shame-shame-findlaw/#comment-199777">commented</a> at Todd&#8217;s post, saying:</p>
<blockquote><p>Yup, somebody forwarded that email to me too.</p></blockquote>
<p>Then soon after, FindLaw&#8217;s PageRank fell.</p>
<p>Kevin O&#8217;Keefe was <a href="http://kevin.lexblog.com/2008/08/articles/law-firm-marketing/findlaw-seo-misconduct-suggested-course-of-conduct/">upset</a> with FindLaw.com&#8217;s actions and laid out a &#8220;course of conduct&#8221; for how FindLaw.com should handle this situation.  Steve Matthews was <a href="http://www.stemlegal.com/strategyblog/2008/findlaw-selling-pagerank/">shocked</a> by how &#8220;blatantly overt&#8221; FindLaw.com was about selling the text links, going as far as sending out:</p>
<blockquote><p>spammy marketing materials, unsolicited emails, selling links based on PageRank, training lawyers how to show ‘link love’ and apply link text, and just generally having the feel of a total Machiavellian manipulation of the system. Frankly, it was arrogant.</p></blockquote>
<p>FindLaw.com has yet to comment about this penalty.  They were impacted by the visual Toolbar PageRank score, and yes, there is a difference between <a href="http://searchengineland.com/070426-011828.php#internal">real PageRank and Toolbar PageRank</a>.  But FindLaw.com&#8217;s Google rankings seem to not be impacted, which is the norm for these cases.  Google was to discourage link buyers from buying links on the basis of PageRank.  At the same time, FindLaw.com has quality content they want the Google searcher to find.  So all they need to do is take away the visual PageRank in order to discourage the sale of links on these sites.</p>
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		<title>The 2007 Paid Links War, In Review</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vanessa Fox</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fthe-2007-paid-links-war-in-review-13032"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsearchengineland.com%2Fthe-2007-paid-links-war-in-review-13032" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>The paid links debate is back, this time about whether Google wants all links
in a paid post to have a nofollow attribute. Below, a look at the latest round,
plus a recap of this year&#8217;s &quot;War On Paid Links&quot; by Google and where the other
search engines stand on the subject.</p>
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<p>The current round was sparked by an IZEA (previously Pay Per Post) post
inviting the major search engines to clarify their stances on links in paid
posts. Ted Murphy
<a href="http://community.izea.com/blog/2007/12/an-invitation-t.html">blogged</a>
that he talked to Matt Cutts at Pubcon, who told him that all links in a paid
post should have the nofollow attribute, not just links to the site that paid
for the review:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I explained to Matt that in SocialSpark all links required by an advertiser
would carry the no-follow tag. I thought this would be a great thing. Matt
commended the decision, but then added ALL links inside of any sponsored post
should carry the no-follow tag period, regardless of whether they are
required, not required or even link to the advertiser paying for the post.
That means if Nikon pays me to review a camera and I link off to a site about
photography that link needs to be no-follow, along with the link to the blog
of my buddy the photographer. His reasoning was that the sponsored post
wouldn’t exist without the sponsor paying for it, therefore all the content is
commercial and should be no-follow. </p>
<p>The ramifications of that statement and policy didn’t hit me until I was on
a jet back to Orlando. Is Google really saying that all content that is
commercially driven by a sponsor should carry no-follow tags?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>That type of policy seemed a bit much to some people, such as Andy Beard, who
<a href="http://andybeard.eu/2007/12/google-dictating-nofollow-for-all-links-from-compensated-content.html">
blogged</a> a variety of examples of how this type of policy might be
interpreted, concluding:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>There is absolutely no way I can comply with these current new demands, I
would have to stick nofollow on every link within some of my most popular and
highly rated content.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;ll also find discussion of Andy&#8217;s post
<a href="http://sphinn.com/story/20532">here at Sphinn</a>.</p>
<p>Matt Cutts then
<a href="http://community.izea.com/blog/2007/12/an-invitation-t.html#comment-95265566">
responded</a>, explaining that putting nofollow on all links in a paid post
would be safe but suggesting he was not saying it was required:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I think quoting me as saying &quot;ALL links inside of any sponsored post should
carry the no-follow tag period, regardless of whether they are required, not
required or even link to the advertiser paying for the post&quot; is different than
our conversation. I believe that I said that adding nofollow to all links in
paid posts would certainly be safe. Then I asked if you were going to require
nofollow on required links, why not put them on all links in paid posts? I
think you replied that your business model didn&#8217;t support that, but I may be
misremembering. </p>
</blockquote>
<p>Ted then did a fresh post, accusing Google of having a double-standard over
paid links, since TechCrunch &#8212; which had been previously held up as an
example by IZEA of not having sponsored links without the nofollow attribute &#8211;
was not ever apparently penalized. TechCrunch got fresh attention since it
recently just added nofollow (see posts on this from
<a href="http://andybeard.eu/2007/12/techcrunch-nofollow-sponsors.html">Andy
Beard</a>,
<a href="http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/techcrunch-scared-of-google-and-caves-in-like-a-school-girl/">
Michael Gray</a>, and discussion at <a href="http://sphinn.com/story/20607">
Sphinn</a>).
<a href="http://community.izea.com/blog/2007/12/matt-cutts-reps.html">Wrote Ted</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Now, almost a month later TC decides to add a no-follow to their most
recent thank our sponsors post and you commend them in your comment. You were
clearly aware of the situation. You said it was a violation. Why didn&#8217;t TC
suffer the same punishment as the smaller bloggers that were hit with a PR0?
Why is there a double standard? What about the previous thank our sponsors
posts that still don&#8217;t have no-follow? </p>
<p>It is this double standard that makes it very difficult for us to enforce
policies on linking. Competing businesses are not held to the same standard.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>The debate is just the latest in a long line of disagreements over how search
engines treat paid links. A
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?as_sitesearch=mattcutts.com&#038;as_q=paid+links">
quick search of Matt Cutts&#8217;s blog</a> shows that he&#8217;s been talking about it a
lot, and for a long time.</p>
<p>Notably, Matt was talking about the issue
<a href="http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/text-links-and-pagerank/">back in 2005</a>,
and in <a href="http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/jeremy-finished-his-experiment/">
January 2006</a>, said he thought the topic was pretty &quot;picked over&quot;. But in
April 2007, Matt blogged about how to
<a href="http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/how-to-report-paid-links/">report paid
links,</a> which Danny felt &#8212; in his
<a href="http://searchengineland.com/070420-111550.php">Search Engine Land: Time
For Google To Give Up The Fight Against Paid Links?</a> post &#8212; kicked off
Google&#8217;s second &quot;war on paid links,&quot; with the first having been over the
SearchKing case.</p>
<p>If it was a second war, things continued along. Google launched a
<a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/06/more-ways-for-you-to-give-us-input.html">
paid links reporting form</a> within Google&#8217;s Webmaster Tools in June. At SES
San Jose, Matt participated in the &quot;Are Paid Links Evil&quot; session, where Michael
Gray proclaimed that &quot;Google is not the government.&quot; For more, see:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/ses-san-jose-2007-write-up/">Matt
Cutts&#8217;s comments and slides from SES</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.wolf-howl.com/seo/ses-paid-link-presentation/">Michael
Gray&#8217;s slides from SES</a></li>
<li>
<a href="http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-paid-links-debate-rages-on-ses-san-jose-2007">
SEOmoz: The Paid Links Debate Rages On</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/014573.html">Search Engine
Roundtable: Are Paid Links Evil?</a></li>
</ul>
<p>During the fall, some sites saw their Google Toolbar PageRank drop. First
sites that were believed to be selling links saw a
<a href="http://searchengineland.com/071007-173841.php">PageRank reduction</a>,
kicking off a <a href="http://searchengineland.com/071009-084313.php">huge
debate</a> across various search blogs.
<a href="http://searchengineland.com/071029-084449.php">Soon after</a>, sites
that had a substantial number of links from link-selling sites saw drops. Even
though those links weren&#8217;t paid, the many link-selling sites either had less
PageRank flowing from them or lost their ability to pass PageRank altogether,
which created a ripple PageRank reduction effect, which Matt and I discussed in
<a href="http://videos.webpronews.com/2007/12/11/pubcon-las-vegas-2007-matt-cutts-of-google-and-vanessa-fox?click=1">
this WebProNews video</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, Google <a href="http://searchengineland.com/071123-083348.php">
formally added</a> a warning against link selling to its online help files in
late November, and then in early December the Official Google Webmaster Central
blog featured a
<a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/12/information-about-buying-and-selling.html">
comprehensive post</a> on Google&#8217;s stance on the subject.</p>
<p>With Google&#8217;s stance on buying and selling links pretty clear now, how about
the other major search engines? According to Google, they&#8217;re in agreement. On
the Google Webmaster Central blog,
<a href="http://searchengineland.com/071203-085226.php">Matt posted</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><strong style="font-weight: 400">Q: Is this a Google-only issue?</strong>
</p>
<p>A: No. All the major search engines have opposed buying and selling links
that affect search engines. For the Forbes article,
<a href="http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml">Google Purges The Payola</a>,
Andy Greenberg asked other search engines about their policies, and the
results were unanimous. From the story: </p>
<p>Search engines hate this kind of paid-for popularity. Google&#8217;s Webmaster
guidelines ban buying links just to pump search rankings. Other search engines
including Ask, MSN, and Yahoo!, which mimic Google&#8217;s link-based search
rankings, also discourage buying and selling links.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Search Engine Land wanted to hear from the other search engines first hand,
however. Immediately after that blog post, Barry Schwartz asked them all for an
official stance on these three questions:</p>
<ol>
<li>What is your policy on buying paid links for ranking purposes. If you buy,
what might you do?&nbsp;&nbsp; </li>
<li>What is your policy on selling paid links for ranking purposes. If you
sell, what might happen to you?&nbsp; </li>
<li>And if you sell paid links, do you recommend using nofollow or routing
through robots.txt?</li>
</ol>
<p>To date, Microsoft and Yahoo have failed to respond despite follow-up
requests. (<b>Updated January 9:</b> Microsoft has responded. See below.)</p>
<p>Ask.com said:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Trading links is a common practice on the Internet. Our primary focus is to
distinguish high quality links from low quality ones regardless of whether
they are paid or organic. We are not interested in penalizing sites that buy
or sell links as long as the links are relevant and useful for searchers. And,
we believe the ExpertRank algorithm is optimized to help identify quality
links from those that would not contribute to the end-user experience.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>While Google says you shouldn&#8217;t buy or sell links unless you use some
type of link credit blocking mechanism like nofollow, Ask doesn&#8217;t care.</p>
<p><s>While we still await a direct response from Microsoft,</s> We have received an official response from Microsoft, and there are other
comments out there saying they don&#8217;t like paid links, though requirements for
blocking these with nofollow are not mandated in those:</p>
<p>Earlier this month, Nathan Buggia of Microsoft&#8217;s Live Search Webmaster Center talked about paid links in a
SEOmoz WhiteBoard Friday
<a href="http://www.seomoz.org/blog/whiteboard-friday-hey-new-guy">video</a> and
later
<a href="http://www.seomoz.org/blog/whiteboard-friday-hey-new-guy#jtc43378">
commented in print</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Whether it is pay-per-post, paid links, or product placement in movies, if
you’re not telling your audience you’re mixing in a dash of paid content into
their organic soup, I think that it is eventually going to back fire.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Live Search&#8217;s Eytan Seidman
<a href="http://www.seomoz.org/blog/an-interview-with-livecoms-eytan-seidman">
recently said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The reality is that most paid links are a.) obviously not objective and b.)
very often irrelevant. If you are asking about those then the answer is
absolutely there is a risk. We will not tolerate bogus links that add little
value to the user experience and are effectively trying to game the system.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Ramez Naan of Microsoft&#8217;s Live Search has responded to our query with the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>
We think of links as a signal to ranking in as much as they reflect actual value to an end user.   A link that is white text on white is obviously not valuable to the user, and if we detect such techniques we may disregard the link and may penalize the page it’s on.  Paid links are a gray area.  Are they of value to the end user?  Sometimes they are.  Often they’re less valuable and less relevant than the organic links on a page.   We reserve the right to treat them that way.</p>
<p>It’s important for webmasters to keep in mind that search algorithms are constantly evolving.  Given that, you should think more about the principles behind our ranking choices than the specific implementations we may have today.  The core principle is:  reward content and links that are valuable to the user. If you violate this principle, it may work out for you in the short term, but as algorithms get smarter it will work less and less, and may even backfire.</p>
<p>A second principle is: manipulating our algorithms in ways that does not add value to the end user is bad. If we detect such manipulation, we may disregard it, and may even penalize you.  And again, our techniques for detecting manipulation improve every day.
</p></blockquote>
<p>As for Yahoo, it <a href="http://www.ysearchblog.com/archives/000069.html">
came out</a> in support of nofollow when originally introduced, although the
post specifically talked about comment spam, not paid links.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll try again to get answers from the others (as of January 9th, only Yahoo! hasn&#8217;t replied) on our three questions. This
being New Year&#8217;s Eve, we don&#8217;t expect they&#8217;ll come today, but hopefully they will in the
near future.</p>
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