Comments on: Minding The Gap Between The UK & US Search Markets http://searchengineland.com/minding-the-gap-between-the-uk-us-search-markets-11153 Search Engine Land: News On Search Engines, Search Engine Optimization (SEO) & Search Engine Marketing (SEM) Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:19:20 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Red_Mud_Rookie http://searchengineland.com/minding-the-gap-between-the-uk-us-search-markets-11153/comment-page-1#comment-2330 Red_Mud_Rookie Fri, 11 May 2007 15:06:02 +0000 http://searchengineland.com/beta/minding-the-gap-between-the-uk-us-search-markets-11153.php#comment-2330 Having come from working agency side for several years and now sitting on the inside I reckon it's 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other. I think if you have members of a team who have agency experience then you have the "complete" in-house search team. Dylan's just trying to drum up more business as always ;-) Having come from working agency side for several years and now sitting on the inside I reckon it’s 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other.

I think if you have members of a team who have agency experience then you have the “complete” in-house search team.

Dylan’s just trying to drum up more business as always ;-)

]]> By: RichardGregory http://searchengineland.com/minding-the-gap-between-the-uk-us-search-markets-11153/comment-page-1#comment-2329 RichardGregory Tue, 08 May 2007 13:14:59 +0000 http://searchengineland.com/beta/minding-the-gap-between-the-uk-us-search-markets-11153.php#comment-2329 Hi Dave You're right to be cynical about some of the agency bidding models but that's all part of a good relationship. How long would you keep an agency that was simply spending your money and not improving ROI? Some agencies work on a performance basis to avoid this worry. Alan Rimm Kaufman did a great write on this very site - <a href="http://searchengineland.com/070424-073956.php" rel="nofollow">http://searchengineland.com/070424-073956.php</a> Hi Dave

You’re right to be cynical about some of the agency bidding models but that’s all part of a good relationship. How long would you keep an agency that was simply spending your money and not improving ROI?

Some agencies work on a performance basis to avoid this worry. Alan Rimm Kaufman did a great write on this very site – http://searchengineland.com/070424-073956.php

]]> By: Dave Wilson http://searchengineland.com/minding-the-gap-between-the-uk-us-search-markets-11153/comment-page-1#comment-2328 Dave Wilson Tue, 08 May 2007 12:30:18 +0000 http://searchengineland.com/beta/minding-the-gap-between-the-uk-us-search-markets-11153.php#comment-2328 It is just possible that part of the picture is being obscured here. To my mind, an in-house marketer, having a better understanding of their business and industry is likely to be much better at pruning or excluding irrelevant keywords, optimising bids appropriately to their niche, tailoring landing pages they probably have full control over and probably spending more time on account optimisation, since they only have the one. If this were true I would expect to see, in a market with more in-house specialists, lower CPCs and larger gaps between bids, exactly as has been found. Conversely one might expect agencies who receive a commission from the search engines to be more aggressive in their biddings, target less relevant terms and try every new thing that comes along, without as much thought as to how it might meet a client's business objectives. After all, the more they spend, the more they get paid. Perhaps I am just a cynic! It is just possible that part of the picture is being obscured here. To my mind, an in-house marketer, having a better understanding of their business and industry is likely to be much better at pruning or excluding irrelevant keywords, optimising bids appropriately to their niche, tailoring landing pages they probably have full control over and probably spending more time on account optimisation, since they only have the one.

If this were true I would expect to see, in a market with more in-house specialists, lower CPCs and larger gaps between bids, exactly as has been found.

Conversely one might expect agencies who receive a commission from the search engines to be more aggressive in their biddings, target less relevant terms and try every new thing that comes along, without as much thought as to how it might meet a client’s business objectives. After all, the more they spend, the more they get paid.

Perhaps I am just a cynic!

]]> By: Matt Brocklehurst http://searchengineland.com/minding-the-gap-between-the-uk-us-search-markets-11153/comment-page-1#comment-2327 Matt Brocklehurst Tue, 08 May 2007 11:15:41 +0000 http://searchengineland.com/beta/minding-the-gap-between-the-uk-us-search-markets-11153.php#comment-2327 I would like to clarify that the point the White Paper makes is NOT that US in-housers were intrinsically less innovative. The Paper points out that in-housers have less opportunity for peer-learning and creative review which can hinder innovation. A sentiment which seems top be shared below. Matt Brocklehurst Head of Marketing Latitude I would like to clarify that the point the White Paper makes is NOT that US in-housers were intrinsically less innovative. The Paper points out that in-housers have less opportunity for peer-learning and creative review which can hinder innovation. A sentiment which seems top be shared below.

Matt Brocklehurst
Head of Marketing
Latitude

]]> By: CaptainObvious http://searchengineland.com/minding-the-gap-between-the-uk-us-search-markets-11153/comment-page-1#comment-2326 CaptainObvious Mon, 07 May 2007 18:21:54 +0000 http://searchengineland.com/beta/minding-the-gap-between-the-uk-us-search-markets-11153.php#comment-2326 Nice title. I'll always remember my first trip to the UK and the Orwellian voice booming "mind the gap" on the tubes. On a side note, it should be noted that part of the reason UK based paid search may not be attracting US advertisers is method of payment. Credit card (Visa, MC) penetration in the UK is still fairly low and any US advertiser needs to be able to support Paypal or Switch Solo to effectively enter that market. With the merger of Switch and Maestro and the subsequent release of Switch Maestro cards with MasterCard support, this issue should diminish over time. In the mean time, supporting Switch Solo is troublesome for many sites and not fully supported by many payment processors. In this case, I think there is a little more to it than just an ignored market. Until credit card penetration increases in Europe as a whole I think that the ability of search advertisers to enter those markets will be diminished. Nice title. I’ll always remember my first trip to the UK and the Orwellian voice booming “mind the gap” on the tubes.

On a side note, it should be noted that part of the reason UK based paid search may not be attracting US advertisers is method of payment. Credit card (Visa, MC) penetration in the UK is still fairly low and any US advertiser needs to be able to support Paypal or Switch Solo to effectively enter that market.

With the merger of Switch and Maestro and the subsequent release of Switch Maestro cards with MasterCard support, this issue should diminish over time. In the mean time, supporting Switch Solo is troublesome for many sites and not fully supported by many payment processors.

In this case, I think there is a little more to it than just an ignored market. Until credit card penetration increases in Europe as a whole I think that the ability of search advertisers to enter those markets will be diminished.

]]> By: Rhea http://searchengineland.com/minding-the-gap-between-the-uk-us-search-markets-11153/comment-page-1#comment-2325 Rhea Mon, 07 May 2007 18:09:03 +0000 http://searchengineland.com/beta/minding-the-gap-between-the-uk-us-search-markets-11153.php#comment-2325 I take offense to the less innovative comment, but can relate to feeling stifled and unable to bounce ideas off of other search related professionals as an in-house marketer. Sounds like an interesting paper that could stop recent trends towards in-house SEMs? ps - mind the gap, lol, how fitting... I take offense to the less innovative comment, but can relate to feeling stifled and unable to bounce ideas off of other search related professionals as an in-house marketer. Sounds like an interesting paper that could stop recent trends towards in-house SEMs?

ps – mind the gap, lol, how fitting…

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