• Jackinthebox

    How about done to stop spammers (unless they pay for it) who target keywords to build content?

  • makeonlineshop

    Time to use Bing…

  • http://SEO-Website-Designer.com/ Tiggerito

    The basic mechanism is that the https search page will not send referrer data over any links. It’s the browsers doing that when in https mode and not Google. However Google have implemented an extra meta tag to request the browser also does not send referrer data when https to https, which by default they will. A deliberate move to stop you keeping your referrer data by switching to an https website.

    I’m not sure how ad links get around this. I know that some tracking is done in the link itself via utm query parameters but I have also read from articles here that somehow ad links send referrer data. Ads and organic links go via a proxy page so Google can store tracking data then redirect the user to the true destination. For organic links the proxy page is secure, but it seems it is not for ads. I’m wondering if same domain links from https to http keep the referrer, and that how they do it. Or the advertisers just get the proxy page as a referrer which still has all the juicy data (passed over an insecure connection).

    It’s clear Google does have control over exactly how much data they pass on via referrer or query parameters. I understand the need to hide the personal data in the referrer parameter, but once that’s gone I’m not convinced removing search terms resolves any privacy issues. But I’m not a lawyer!

  • Vroo (Bruce Leban)

    What makes you think this was done “suddenly”? Turning this on is not a simple matter of adding an “s”. Handling SSL traffic incurs a significant overhead especially at Google scale and there is a lot of work to deploy it. If you look at this without a tinfoil hat, it’s clear that Google has progressively rolled out SSL for searches, first to signed in users and anyone that wants it by using https explicitly, then to chrome omnibox, now to everyone. Kudos to Google.

  • http://www.instantatlas.com/ David E Carey

    Today it reports that it will be the 29th of November but it is changing everyday, I would not be surprised if it is in October to be honest.

  • netviper

    Clearly just another thing they are doing to push people to use Adwords if they actually want to know what keywords are driving traffic their websites. I wish Bing or someone would actually take a junk of traffic away from Google. Google will keep on taking and they actually see their market share decline. How much of the first page is even organic anymore!

  • netviper

    Clearly just another thing they are doing to push people to use Adwords if they actually want to know what keywords are driving traffic their websites. I wish Bing or someone would actually take a junk of traffic away from Google. Google will keep on taking and they actually see their market share decline. How much of the first page is even organic anymore!

  • http://searchengineland.com/ Danny Sullivan

    Because it did happened suddenly, as the spike shows in the story, and especially on the day this was written, when it even went more wide-scale.

  • Vroo (Bruce Leban)

    You’re confusing “turned on over a short period of time” with “Google suddenly decided to do this”. The former does not imply the latter and the word “sudden” implies a precipitous decision or even a knee-jerk reaction to something which you have no data to support. Even saying they “quietly” did this makes it sound like they were trying to keep it secret. Lack of an announcement does not a conspiracy theory make. (Well, maybe a theory, but not an actual conspiracy.)

  • Dario Civinelli

    Oh, look at that! A 302 redirect! Good catch, sir.

  • http://blackhatpwnage.com/ igl00

    yes they will share data with .gov and fbi now but not with users. really cool!

  • anywherehome

    exactly, blame the fascistic NSA US gov who would make Google enterprise illegal if Google didn’t cooperate = fascistic hidden law made by the fascistic organization = USA

    vote for different parties to avoid that!! otherwise you’re doomed as you vote….your fault

  • http://searchengineland.com/ Danny Sullivan

    Vroo, when Google first rolled this out, it made a point to announce it. Since then, we’ve had a steady increase but now sudden spike of withholding. But in the past few weeks, Google decided to massively change what it was doing. It was indeed sudden to people outside Google. If Google had been planning for months to make this change in August & September, that kind of doesn’t matter — it’s sudden to us. And it was quiet. This is a much bigger change than the previous one that they did announce. That’s my take; that’s why I wrote it up that way.

  • http://twitter.com/miksas MikSas

    I am already honing my rusty PPC skillset… I don’t want to rant unnecessarily and bash ’em. It’s Google’s playground… I am going to play their rules…

  • Alice

    I have not been able to locate Google’s announcement – could someone provide me with an actual Google source for this? Cheers

  • Norm Miller

    Can you share those other methods?

  • Christian Noel

    Google’s motivations are a key component. I could see them coming going to a fully paid subscription model for Google Analytics. Essentially making you pay to a tier for access. Or perhaps in the absence of more paid tiers making the KW data available only in the enterprise version. The fact is they are keeping the data, just not showing us. So it is a fair question to ask what are they going to do with it. Additionally, this latest action by Google is the least transparent thing they have ever done and is the height of hypocrisy given that they are still providing the data to AdWords customers who are basically paying for it. Yet they say it is about “privacy”.

  • http://searchengineland.com/ Danny Sullivan

    Yes. It’s right up there in the story, where I list the statement Google sent confirming this. That’s the only official confirmation they’ve made, so far.

  • Alice

    Thanks – if that statement is their announcement, I guess they’ve made no ‘official’ announcement, nothing on any of their blogs? I wonder if they were hoping to sneak it past us.

  • Chris Vaughn

    What are the preferred alternate methods for gleaning keyword data?

  • http://MetaTraderProgramming.com/ MetaTrader Programming

    I agree with you.

    If you think about it the security of searches is nonsense.

  • Melanie Trudeau

    Seeking the original source for this week’s Google announcement, I ran a Google search for [google encrypting all search data]. Lots of great SEO blogs on page one along with the 2011 post from Google’s blog (cited in this article).

    Seems Google isn’t publishing and ranking their own content on the topic – how ironic! Not sure this 2011 has much relevance any more, so why are they delivering it on page one in the SERPs?

  • seobro

    I use Keyword Discovery to find new niches because Google tools keep getting worse.

  • http://www.nwidesigns.com Kevin Morrison

    “The motivation here is not to drive the ads side — it’s for our search users.”

    This statement from Google really says it all. They claim it is for the security of their users, but as long as you pay for it you can have it. Seems black and white to me, secure it all and honor your claim to secure everyone or secure it unless you want to pay for the information.

    Personally I do not see how what people search for can be classified in the same respect as say my personal verifiable information. With this new security feature I would say that SEO as we have come to know it is dead!

  • http://www.nwidesigns.com Kevin Morrison

    It will not matter what party you vote for, what the NSA is
    doing does not go through the government and in fact they are a ruling body that only answers to itself! Same with the IRS, this government is not out of control as much as it is fragmented and dysfunctional…

  • http://www.nwidesigns.com Kevin Morrison

    LOL… the days of big corporations running the government are long gone. No business, not even the powerful Google or Apple can stop this out of control government from doing anything it wants. You though Hitler was bad? At least we could pin the head on the snake there, what we have created here is a hydra, with many heads and the really scary thing is when you cut off one head, two more grow in its place!

  • http://www.CheesyCorporateLingo.com/ Patrick Reinhart

    If you are completely relying on keyword data these days as an SEO then you are in the wrong business. While this will definitely make our jobs more challenging, it isn’t the end of the world. Although I do smell another paid service from Google coming soon…

  • Colin Guidi

    “The motivation here is not to drive the ads side — it’s for our search users.”

    Barf. Thanks Google.

  • http://MetaTraderProgramming.com/ MetaTrader Programming

    You know I am surprised that there isn’t more of an uproar about this.

    Imagine for a moment that Google owned the entire process chain of gasoline, and you can *only* buy gas from google?

    Sounds like a monopoly to me, and to my limited knowledge this would be against US antitrust / monopoly laws. So it is surprising the government isn’t blocking the move or questioning it at least.

  • Christian Noel

    Well, here is thing about anti-trust. The only way the government can come after you is if you are abusing your monopoly power. Granted that is a broad threshold, but that is what it is.

    Now your example about Google branding the digital experience entirely to itself: the hardware, OS,Browser, Engine etc is a valid one. However, how is Google abusing it’s power? Taking away KW traffic counts is inconvenient, but doesn’t make it an anti-trust thing.

    There are literally hundreds of SE’s including Bing etc. However, people choose to utilize Google’s. They are free to use whichever they like. You can even find some of the using Google’s SE.

    An anti-trust suit would come to pass if Google pushed out all other browsers off it’s OS outside of Chrome and Firefox and then didn’t allow other search engines to be used or found in its index.

    Anti-trust violations aren’t just based on marketshare. It is more complicated that than that. The nature of Google’s business makes it a murky case

  • http://MetaTraderProgramming.com/ MetaTrader Programming

    Thanks for the detailed reply Christian.

    I see your point. Here is my argument how Google is abusing its power:

    (a) Google has the largest market share for search.

    (b) Millions of webmasters depend on knowing what keywords are used to find their websites and for what content to curate in order to rank for their chosen keywords.

    (c) Google now decides to hide the keyword(s) or phrase used to reach the relevant site.

    (d) Now webmasters have no idea at all where the traffic is coming from, Imagine you just spent say $10,000 on a bunch of SEO techniques (document sharing / infographics / videos / articles etc) and now you have absolutely no idea which of the techniques actually worked.

    If I spent $10,000 on several techniques, and I learn that document sharing is a waste of time, and that articles were more effective based on awstats keyword data, then i would obviously reduce spending money on document sharing and increase money spent on articles.

    So this is not just an inconvenience, its going to cost business money that could be spent elsewhere.

    (e) The argument for being able to get keyword data from bing tools or similar isnt really valid because it is not perfectly correlated to google serps.

    (f) Google’s decision will put ahrefs and similar tools out of business. So you would be completely dependant on google for data, and who is to say they are actually giving the correct info (eg the number of links in google webmaster tools is *not* the real number of links a website has, some are hidden from you).

    (g) Google’s decision forces people/business to spend more on Adwords.

    So yeah Google is abusing its position.

    But what can be done? Bend over and take it?

  • http://MetaTraderProgramming.com/ MetaTrader Programming

    i made a long and detailed answer. I guess my reply was too touchy for SEL and conveniently deleted it.

    Update: SEL did finally publish my comment (Thanks SEL!)

  • Chris Paterson

    Google is just an ad platform that exists to collect information about people. All of its services are based on this fact. For this reason, I use sites like DuckDuckGo, HushMail, and Ravtree. They don’t violate my privacy.

  • Matt McGee

    Your comment was flagged by the Disqus commenting software, it wasn’t flagged or deleted by us.

    A tip for the future: Start using a real name, not Metatrader Programming, on your Disqus account. Your Disqus activity follows you from site to site and if one site starts to mark your comments as spam (maybe because you’re using a company name), your chances of having comments flagged on other sites goes up.

    Hope this helps.

  • http://www.seo-translator.com SEO Translator

    I noticed around one month ago that when I typed “http://google.com” it suddenly became “https”. It also occurs in the “other” (regional) Googles. I found it funny, but did not realize what was behind it. Thanks for enlightening us!

  • http://www.bjornsennbrink.se Björn Sennbrink

    A “premium” version of Analytics perhaps where you have access to data otherwise restricted under the Not Safe (to Provide) Act?

  • Mike Hastings

    I think you hit the nail on the head Laurel. Also, consider the effects of speak to search – search phrases are becoming full sentences. Semantic search appears to be the next development and the sooner SEO’s understand how they can fit in the sooner they’ll profit from it. Schema.org is just the start. If you’re looking to get a head start, consider how markup and content will help your sites,

  • Morgan Akchehirlian

    Right their can be two sides of this update.
    One Google take cares of their users and do not want to share their personal data as many users still want to browse secure.
    Second like you said another killing step to make SEO folks life more and more tough.

  • wakason

    I still won’t use Google even with the https. I’ll stick with European search engines that offer stricter privacy.

  • Cyrel Panelo Nicolas

    It’s all business purpose, I guess

  • http://www.nwidesigns.com Kevin Morrison

    Lets think logical and with some higher level of awareness for a moment wakason. Do you think for one moment that any of your online activity is somehow private? We are talking about a government agency that has the power to create money out of thin air and all it takes to control the internet (with a free pass to everything) or as scary as it sounds, the world is money.

    Wake up because the only way you are going to be private is to unplug, move as far as you can from anything remotely controlled by government or some other form of law enforcement. Even then you better bet that if they want to know what you are doing and you speak it or write it down they can!!!

    https does not define security, it is only the illusion of it!!!

  • petervk

    Bing does still show keyword data in its webmaster tools. This whole thing is just major power abuse by Google. The only thing you can do is vote via your search engine usage. I know Bing is still in beta in a lot of countries, but in the US, Germany and France it’s a viable Google alternative IMO. Webmasters and SEO’s talk to a lot of people in general and are true influencers. If the ‘regular’ customer sees an expert in the industry using Bing, it’s a start. Only when the market shifts to more equal percentages (I don’t care whether that’s Bing, Yahoo, Ask or whatever) will we see more healthy behavior by Google.
    However, most people will say to my post: well, as if Google cares I don’t use them anymore…matter of fact is: they do, a lot.

  • http://www.itchimes.com/ Faiz Ahmed Faiz

    I guess not provided is the future if we stick to Google.

  • http://www.itchimes.com/ Faiz Ahmed Faiz

    Danny, I just hope you were not drunk when you wrote this article. “Done to block the NSA??” You serious mate?? The company which repeatedly said and implied that they dont give a damn about user privacy took such a big step to enhance privacy?

    Come on, you might like Google but lets not be this much blatant.

    PS: bashing expected from Danny lovers :)

  • http://www.teksyte.com/ SEO Manager

    They are the same!

  • http://MetaTraderProgramming.com/ MetaTrader Programming

    Yes thats true. However the keyword data from Bing is not representative of Google SERPS, which makes it harder.

    I do agree with your points though.

  • http://theseosystem.com/ The SEO System

    I think Google may be being slightly disingenuous here, especially on point #1. The NSA? Are we to infer that Google will no longer have this data available to themselves and then, by extension, cannot provide it to the NSA?

  • http://www.3rd.in/ Twizor Technosolutions

    Yes I agree with you..

  • http://webdesy.com/ Kenneth von Rauch

    It’s kida pity to see where it’s going to, but since we still can see what pages/content is driving traffic…. so far so good.

  • Sergiu Draganus

    Google want us to think we get a benefit from this but, Secure Search & keyword encryption has nothing to do with the non-provided issue . Google Analytic is not a third party server, it is also a Google server which can see ( decrypt ) the keywords, but probably this decision will drive more and more users to pay for keyword data by running AdWords campaigns to test CTR and conversions.

    Monitoring Rankings seems to be a good alternative, but now over 75% of the keywords are generating different rankings on Google SERPs based to the user IP address. Same site can rank in NY on 1 st position and in LA – not listed in Google top 100 for the same keyword.

    One of the best approaches to keyword data as a KPI is to compare the no of local searches for a certain keyword provided by the Google Keyword Planner tool with the Local Rankings ( GeoRanker can provide this ) and try to figure out an algorithm to estimate traffic as 1st position 50% of the traffic, 2nd position 20% and so on.

    Would love to brainstorm on this idea. Any other thoughts about it?