Comments on: The Growth Of Framebars & Kevin Rose On The DiggBar http://searchengineland.com/the-growth-of-framebars-kevin-rose-on-the-diggbar-17416 Search Engine Land: Must Read News About Search Marketing & Search Engines Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:49:26 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: adamflorin http://searchengineland.com/the-growth-of-framebars-kevin-rose-on-the-diggbar-17416/comment-page-1#comment-5436 adamflorin Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:09:35 +0000 http://searchengineland.com/?p=17416#comment-5436 Nice, even-handed piece. It does all start with Google Images! And the section on Link Credit is thorough. My comment here grew into its own blog post (link below). In short: As our means of collecting, processing, and re-filing information multiply, I see no inherent reason why you shouldn't look at one site through another. In the 90s, the word "portal" was popular for aggregator sites, and the metaphor is useful: Digg is not a content provider, but a window through which content is found. So a framebar may in fact be a perfectly natural expression of that removed yet enabling position. You look over the sill of Digg into pastures of Engadget, CNN, what have you. http://code.adamflorin.com/framebars-and-framebusters-viewing-one-site-t Nice, even-handed piece. It does all start with Google Images! And the section on Link Credit is thorough. My comment here grew into its own blog post (link below).

In short: As our means of collecting, processing, and re-filing information multiply, I see no inherent reason why you shouldn’t look at one site through another. In the 90s, the word “portal” was popular for aggregator sites, and the metaphor is useful: Digg is not a content provider, but a window through which content is found. So a framebar may in fact be a perfectly natural expression of that removed yet enabling position. You look over the sill of Digg into pastures of Engadget, CNN, what have you.

http://code.adamflorin.com/framebars-and-framebusters-viewing-one-site-t

]]> By: malcolmcoles http://searchengineland.com/the-growth-of-framebars-kevin-rose-on-the-diggbar-17416/comment-page-1#comment-5330 malcolmcoles Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:39:22 +0000 http://searchengineland.com/?p=17416#comment-5330 "Also, if Google were ever to frame web sites when you click to them from search results in the way Ask does, the web would almost certain erupt in anger. I don’t think this will happen, of course — but if it’s not something we’d allow Google to do, it’s not something we should be allowing any sites to do." It does with Google images ... “Also, if Google were ever to frame web sites when you click to them from search results in the way Ask does, the web would almost certain erupt in anger. I don’t think this will happen, of course — but if it’s not something we’d allow Google to do, it’s not something we should be allowing any sites to do.”

It does with Google images …

]]> By: TJ Kelly http://searchengineland.com/the-growth-of-framebars-kevin-rose-on-the-diggbar-17416/comment-page-1#comment-5317 TJ Kelly Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:36:26 +0000 http://searchengineland.com/?p=17416#comment-5317 Thanks, Danny. Your articles continue to be very helpful and informative. I read an interesting article that provides another alternative to the frame-busting. It's kind of like "frame-switching." I'd love to hear your thoughts on this: http://www.g9g.org/backblog/2009/04/14/turning-the-tables-on-the-diggbar.html Thanks! Thanks, Danny. Your articles continue to be very helpful and informative.

I read an interesting article that provides another alternative to the frame-busting. It’s kind of like “frame-switching.” I’d love to hear your thoughts on this: http://www.g9g.org/backblog/2009/04/14/turning-the-tables-on-the-diggbar.html

Thanks!

]]> By: brucekeener http://searchengineland.com/the-growth-of-framebars-kevin-rose-on-the-diggbar-17416/comment-page-1#comment-5297 brucekeener Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:49:49 +0000 http://searchengineland.com/?p=17416#comment-5297 A great article Danny. Caused me to immediately implement framebusting on my site. When I did, though, I learned a lesson in that <a href="http://www.keenerliving.com/2009/04/13/framebusters-break-wordpress-theme-activation/" rel="nofollow">Framebusting can break WordPress Theme Activation</a>. As long as you stay with the same theme, you're fine. But if you ever deactivate it, and try to activate another one that has framebusting code, then you're hosed because WordPress tries to show a preview of the theme within a frame before allowing you to activate it. The framebusting code breaks this ability, preventing activation of any theme with framebusting code. My articles talks about how I overcame that problem, and then presents a modified javascript framebuster that doesn't bust the WordPress Theme Activation but does bust diggbar. A great article Danny. Caused me to immediately implement framebusting on my site. When I did, though, I learned a lesson in that Framebusting can break WordPress Theme Activation. As long as you stay with the same theme, you’re fine. But if you ever deactivate it, and try to activate another one that has framebusting code, then you’re hosed because WordPress tries to show a preview of the theme within a frame before allowing you to activate it. The framebusting code breaks this ability, preventing activation of any theme with framebusting code. My articles talks about how I overcame that problem, and then presents a modified javascript framebuster that doesn’t bust the WordPress Theme Activation but does bust diggbar.

]]> By: davidthemavin http://searchengineland.com/the-growth-of-framebars-kevin-rose-on-the-diggbar-17416/comment-page-1#comment-5296 davidthemavin Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:05:41 +0000 http://searchengineland.com/?p=17416#comment-5296 Ok, here's the main issue I take with what Kevin said: “The goal in creating this wasn’t, ‘Let’s be the universal URL shortener.’ It was ‘Let’s make a tool that can enhance the experience for Digg users’.” If that was the case why didn't they put the most useful tool in the frame????>>>> The favorite star. Did they just miss that or something? I think they let their business objectives get in the way with what their users & submitters truly would want Ok, here’s the main issue I take with what Kevin said:

“The goal in creating this wasn’t, ‘Let’s be the universal URL shortener.’ It was ‘Let’s make a tool that can enhance the experience for Digg users’.”

If that was the case why didn’t they put the most useful tool in the frame????>>>> The favorite star. Did they just miss that or something? I think they let their business objectives get in the way with what their users & submitters truly would want

]]> By: sean http://searchengineland.com/the-growth-of-framebars-kevin-rose-on-the-diggbar-17416/comment-page-1#comment-5295 sean Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:15:57 +0000 http://searchengineland.com/?p=17416#comment-5295 Google Translate (http://translate.google.com/) also uses frames when it displays the translated version of a web page. If you add the frame busting JavaScript, you'll break Google Translate, as I discovered several years ago. Ideally the frame busting JavaScript could whitelist a reasonable exception such as Google Translate - Google is adding real value when they redisplay my page in a user's choose language. At the time, I removed the JavaScript rather than try find or develop a version which supports white listing. Seems like it is time to revisit the issue. Google Translate (http://translate.google.com/) also uses frames when it displays the translated version of a web page.

If you add the frame busting JavaScript, you’ll break Google Translate, as I discovered several years ago. Ideally the frame busting JavaScript could whitelist a reasonable exception such as Google Translate – Google is adding real value when they redisplay my page in a user’s choose language. At the time, I removed the JavaScript rather than try find or develop a version which supports white listing. Seems like it is time to revisit the issue.

]]> By: willl http://searchengineland.com/the-growth-of-framebars-kevin-rose-on-the-diggbar-17416/comment-page-1#comment-5281 willl Sun, 12 Apr 2009 07:02:58 +0000 http://searchengineland.com/?p=17416#comment-5281 Thanks for the comment on the history of framing! I have been very frustrated by the diggbar simply because it cripples your ability to browse from site to site! When you leave the site originally having the diggbar, the frame remains and you can't get access to your url bar to copy an addresses, if you use the reload function it reloads the page you originally visited etc. Trying to work around it is an exasperating experience because if you forget to close it before clicking a link on a page and then need to close it later it will reload your original page after removing the frame rather than the one you navigate to... Thanks for the comment on the history of framing!

I have been very frustrated by the diggbar simply because it cripples your ability to browse from site to site! When you leave the site originally having the diggbar, the frame remains and you can’t get access to your url bar to copy an addresses, if you use the reload function it reloads the page you originally visited etc.

Trying to work around it is an exasperating experience because if you forget to close it before clicking a link on a page and then need to close it later it will reload your original page after removing the frame rather than the one you navigate to…

]]> By: VizionQuest http://searchengineland.com/the-growth-of-framebars-kevin-rose-on-the-diggbar-17416/comment-page-1#comment-5277 VizionQuest Sat, 11 Apr 2009 05:59:25 +0000 http://searchengineland.com/?p=17416#comment-5277 Hey Danny, Great review of the history of the use of frames and its reintroduction. History appears to be repeating itself once again. Unfortunately, perhaps the most important issue not being realized by users is that detrimental effect these frame based toolbars have on usability. That is, if one provider is allowed to implement frames its just a matter of time before others follow their lead and before too long the Web is nothing more than frames within frames. I also think that many publishers aren't blocking the DiggBar because they believe it will lead to greater traffic returns. In stark contrast to this, I think it's possible to break the DiggBar and actually increase your traffic stats.... 3 Reasons Why Breaking DiggBar Increases Website Traffic http://tomuse.com/3-reasons-break-digg-diggbar-increase-web-site-traffic Hey Danny,
Great review of the history of the use of frames and its reintroduction. History appears to be repeating itself once again. Unfortunately, perhaps the most important issue not being realized by users is that detrimental effect these frame based toolbars have on usability. That is, if one provider is allowed to implement frames its just a matter of time before others follow their lead and before too long the Web is nothing more than frames within frames.

I also think that many publishers aren’t blocking the DiggBar because they believe it will lead to greater traffic returns. In stark contrast to this, I think it’s possible to break the DiggBar and actually increase your traffic stats….

3 Reasons Why Breaking DiggBar Increases Website Traffic
http://tomuse.com/3-reasons-break-digg-diggbar-increase-web-site-traffic

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