• Matt


    If you look in the Ts & Cs of hotelswhiz, above, you’ll notice

    “Terms used in this Agreement The terms “we”, “us”, “our” and “IAN” refer to IAN.COM L.P., a Delaware limited partnership and/or our subsidiaries and corporate affiliates, including Travelscape LLC, a Nevada limited liability company (“Travelscape”)”

    Otherwise knows as Expedia….

  • http://www.timacheson.com/ Tim Acheson

    To quote another industry insider:

    Google business listings are a total joke

    You can’t have more than one location for your business, without each one having its own separate Google+ page — presumably another strategy for inflating user numbers at the expense of convenience and common-sense.

    When your business moves locations, it’s almost impossible to get rid of the old listing – and even if you do often the old one comes back a few days later!

    Google is a disgrace.

  • Nate

    Now it makes sense. I was wondering what a “lotel” was. I thought it maybe was a Filipino word for hotel.

  • http://localreachlabs.com/ Russell Hayes

    Are you serious? Google has a duty to it’s USERS and to all those who they provide services too.

  • Scott Davis

    Verified or not, if 2 or more people “correct” a Google+ page listing or Google Map listing, Google’s system changes the listing.

    Verified means NOTHING. It doesn’t lock down your data or guarantee you won’t have to spend the rest of your week calling Google to get your listings fixed… AGAIN.

    This is a design flaw with Google’s places system.

  • Scott Davis

    Odds are they used an API to push the URL changes through Google Maps.

  • Scott Davis

    This game has been going on for years… I work in Digital Marketing for hotels and we have quite a few Marriott, Hilton & the like that fight to keep their map listing URLs constantly, due to fly-by-night, foreign OTA’s.

  • http://www.rankinstyle.com/ Jacques Bouchard

    Whoa, there, cowboy. I don’t think you understand. I didn’t say SERP’s, I said “listings”. The evidence is clear and unequivocal — this is not snake oil and superstition. Your Google local listings show up on page 1, and they might as well be developed. Google’s doing more with those listings today than ever before. Check out this screen shot and then tell me there’s no value to building it out:


  • Tom Lynch

    I think it has something to do with how the different sources are segmented currently on the backend. Google has Plus Local, Maps, Map Maker, Freebase, etc. Updates populate to the Plus Local profiles from potentially all of these sources and more, and I don’t think there is a cohesive integration strategy in place yet on the back end or the front end. If there was a fully formulated strategy then why wouldn’t Google have finalized the Plus Local Business page conversions yet en masse?? Right now there seems to be loopholes from Google’s internal databases who each seem to have different procedures for verifying and publishing places data.

  • http://www.timacheson.com/ Tim Acheson

    I’m not seeing what your point is.

    Being in Google Local is not what put that result on page 1. But being on page 1 is an additional reason to be in Google Local.

  • david oremland

    How often do you experience changes effected by third party sites? Is it always in the “local arena”? Do they go to the same booking sites or random sites?

  • david oremland

    Tim: I was referencing that I recall several years ago seeing similar problems with hotel sites having their contacts in the local section redirected to billing sites. The scam of redirecting hotel sites to billing sites within google local has evidently been something that has been occurring for some years.

    I didn’t realize that. I don’t do hotel sites. If in fact its been going on for some years I’m surprised the hotel seo’s haven’t raised holy hell about it.

    In reading through the long commentary it is apparent there are some big danged holes in the local verification/control system within google and this is the latest and possibly “greatest” example of it being spammed. I’m surprised it hasn’t gained wider exposure and even more surprised google hasn’t tried to plug this hole as its been occurring for years.

  • http://www.rankinstyle.com/ Jacques Bouchard

    My point is that Google puts its local listings all over the place on Page 1 just like that. That screen originally came up with the search “pizza Danbury CT” — I just clicked on a specific restaurant to show emphasis on just how many Google local details show up in the search. Having the best, most developed Google Local listing brings you business. ’nuff said.

    Remember, your original statement was “Seriously? There are some companies actually using Google Local?”. Yes. Yes, there are.

  • http://jameshalloran.net/ James R. Halloran

    That’s exactly what I’ve learned from the comments here.

  • http://jameshalloran.net/ James R. Halloran

    Tim, talk to Danny. He wrote the article.

  • http://www.thegraphicmac.com/ JimD

    This is why I prefer to simply call the hotel directly to book. If you insist on getting the “online rate,” they’re generally more than happy to give it to you if it means getting your business.

  • NOT RahmEmanuel

    ..says the simpering, reflexive Microsoft apologist/sycophant. :-)

    Gee, Timmy — lots of replies in this thread. Did the Redmond circle-jerk let out early, today?

  • blissfulight

    Hey Tim, the moderators that approve these kind of changes are called Google Listing Editors, and they’re contracted by the Google Places team, and they work out of India. They’re responsible for reviewing edits to claimed listings (including Maps Report a problem as well as Edit details). I’ve had considerable experience ‘working’ with them in MM as a mapper (see this thread in the MM forums: http://goo.gl/w2KHMB). High turnover, low pay, no training. They don’t follow the Google Places Quality Guidelines, and often reflexively approve or deny edits without first verifying the accuracy or quality of the changes. They’re responsible for a lot of bad data ending up on Google Maps, even to verified listings. Google Places has no quality control. There’s so many avenues to get bad data onto Places that it’s ridiculous, and the moderation processes that Google uses are terrible. This has been going on for years, but Google keeps ignoring it in favor of spam algorithms to detect these attacks, to little effect. Rather than investing in high quality workers and processes, they’ve gone the cheap route.

  • Matthew Hoff

    Wow, more Expedia spam. Wasn’t a link building company recently called out for their less-than-honest techniques used for Expedia?? Nice detective work. Luckily only 2 of my clients’ hotels were affected. I fixed one on Monday, and Google fixed the other one this morning.

  • http://www.timacheson.com/ Tim Acheson

    Thanks for the additional insight.

  • http://www.timacheson.com/ Tim Acheson

    You were seeking to blame victims for Google’s failures.

  • http://www.timacheson.com/ Tim Acheson

    Nothing in your comment alters anything in my comments.

  • http://jameshalloran.net/ James R. Halloran

    Whatever, Cowboy….

  • blissfulight

    Also, I should point out that Maps has a new Report a problem process isolated from MM, which used to show all the changes to all the listings. There could be a bug in that UI that allows spammers to make wholesale changes to listings, the bug in this instance being either auto-approval by a moderation algorithm or manual review and approval by GLEs or whatever designated team is supposed to be reviewing the changes.

  • http://www.ninjasuite.com/ glyn

    Hotels have been getting killed in Google over the past 12 months. With organic results pushed way down the page and waching more and more traditonal organic results being assigned to thePlaces/maps (mostly now below the fold of most devices and monitors), and now Google+ trumping everything it’s no surprise that someone has managed to corrupt what has always been the SEO communities secret knowledge of just how little with Google it appears to be about accurate information, and more about maximising the bottom line. If it’s accurate it’s a bonus not seemingly a requisite. That view might not be the case at Google HQ but it’s the perception some of us certainly have.

    The ease with which manipulation of data can occur with this latest revelatation is pretty much akin to all those maps people were creating 4 years ago or the fake reviews stuffed with keywords.

    I work in this field with hotels that are not going to be affected by these actions overly, but as I can sit here and imagine the ease with which someone could strip an affiliate list of hotels from one of the big OTA and then batch that through a system that leads to this result, the question must be asked, who’s benefiting from these massive lapses in the reliability of the information? If someone is getting paid 1p an hour and someone offers them £20 to approve listings, are they going to report it to their supervisor? The point is that the economy of scale is wrongly weighted: if you can’t do it well, don’t do it at all!

    This won’t even get noticed by the mainstream user, but there is a degree of integrity that any company with the market share for giving people knowledge should have. Otherwise it’s just another Wikipedia (which ironically always comes up top!).


    ps. what I’d like to know Danny is where the source for this story came from?

  • http://www.it-sales-leads.com/ Barbara Mckinney

    I’m not blaming Google for this error Tim. What I’m trying to say is that they have to tighten their security as more and more bad guys out there who wants to ruin their reputation.

  • http://www.it-sales-leads.com/ Barbara Mckinney

    So what is your point?

  • ChamanaOficial

    This happened to our company, exactly the same. The competition was using our brand and redirecting to their websites. How they did it? I have NO idea. I send at least 12 emails to Google places support. No answer about this matter. Ever. No feedback at all.

  • Scott Davis

    It’s typically different OTA booking sites. We lost about 10 listings a few weeks ago to Venere .com who had managed to push their URL onto quite a few Marriott map listings.

    All in all, there are typically 5 to 10 map listing/plus page URLs we’ve lost at any given time. It’s a continual cycle of waiting 3-4 days after correcting the listing information before we get our listings back, then another 3-4 days before we lose them again. Quite frustrating and shows that verification means little to nothing with Google plus.

  • david oremland

    Thanks for responding. Though not in hotel seo I recall seeing this phenomena years ago w/ hotels losing records to booking businesses. That was years ago. I’m astounded the larger hotels at least haven’t created a big stink about this with google. Hell, they spend enough via ppc. Why haven’t the major hotel chains raised holy hell on this issue? Its theft. Google accommodates it and hasn’t bothered to plug the hole.

  • Scott Davis

    I was actually told that by a Google Places rep on the phone.

  • Scott Davis

    You can do this for verified listings as well. It requires 2 different users logged in and poking the listing with a URL update from 2 different IP addresses. (odds are same network IP would be rejected change wise)

    eurobooking .com and venere .com did this to quite a few of our hotel map listings a couple months back, and they were verified AND active Google+ accounts… (that’s how we knew almost immediately we’d lost our map listing — Still took over 3 days to get the listings back, which seriously hurt our traffic for those days)

  • http://www.CityVipConcierge.com/ City VIP Concierge

    This has happened to our company and began on January 4th, 2014.
    We are centrally located on The Las Vegas Strip and anyone would kill for our Business listing.
    Approximately a week and a half later “January 15th, 2014” Google claimed to “fix” the problem but that really has not been the case.
    We were not given back our Hijacked listing with all of our posts, photos and most importantly reviews and were forced to create another listing.
    We have been a business for over 5 years and do believe we have done a superb job of marketing and SEO as prior to the hijacking we ranked #1 on a number of industry related google searches.
    Since the hijacking of our Google Business Listing we are receiving less hits daily than an hourly hits to the site before the hijacking.
    This has literally been a catastrophe and has cost our business tens of thousands of dollars in business.
    The timing could not have been worse as we’d begun marking for the CES “Consumer Electronic Show” here in Las Vegas January 7th – 10th and anticipated a substantial increase in business this year.
    Unfortunately due to the hijacking our site was nowhere to be found and I’m sure the company that has taken it over has experienced the highest sales numbers in company history off of our companies hard work.
    ***Today is Friday January 17th, 2014 and the problem is back. ***
    The same company has hijacked our listing.
    The worst of it is that it is not a licensed business in the state of Nevada and and the actually address that has been placed on our listing does not match our locations yet it is indeed our listing and location as everything is the same, “photos, posts, reviews, etc.”
    This has crippled our business and if it lasts the entire month January we don’t know how we will every be able to make it up.
    If anyone has any suggestions on how to speed up the fix or prevent something like this from happening?
    Your input is very appreciated.

  • http://SEARCH.lol/ David Neville

    Who’s more foolish; the fool or the fool that follows him? Expecting someone that you pay nothing to work for you is a disgrace. If you care about good search, then pay a good price.

  • http://reservationgenie.com/ Ivan Collins

    I’m seeing the same practice with our restaurant clients and posted a blog post about it here. http://www.reservationgenie.com/blog/17-many-restaurants-see-their-google-places-profile-hijacked Looks like online ordering companies are the main culprit. But we also spotted some social media promotion companies.

  • Joe Squires

    I know of a company that does this in their own way.
    They create a dummy gmail account using the name of the Owner of the business, claim the companies local business listing change the phone number and email, then hold the Business Owner hostage to outrageous ‘hosting’ fees and if the Owner refuses, they require a $750+ fee for the Owner to get their Domain names & Google products transferred. Isn’t it illegal?

  • http://reservationgenie.com/ Ivan Collins

    I spotted the same thing with my restaurant clients and wrote a post about it here: http://www.reservationgenie.com/blog/17-many-restaurants-see-their-google-places-profile-hijacked I referenced this article to add weight. One of the culprits, Eat Street, called to say they had permission. I think the restaurant didn’t now the repercussions. I wonder if the culprit behind the hotels version had some fine print that authorized it. Seems unlikely with the magnitude of the problem.

  • http://reservationgenie.com/ Ivan Collins

    I spotted the same thing with my restaurant clients and wrote a post about it here: http://www.reservationgenie.com/blog/17-many-restaurants-see-their-google-places-profile-hijacked I referenced this article to add weight. One of the culprits, Eat Street, called to say they had permission. I think the restaurant didn’t now the repercussions. I wonder if the culprit behind the hotels version had some fine print that authorized it. Seems unlikely with the magnitude of the problem.