• http://daverigotti.com/ drigotti

    I wonder if Yahoo and Microsoft would consider a joint pitch, pooling money for the deal, since they both benefit if one becomes the default.
    – Y! Default: Microsoft gets tons of mobile queries to “learn” from and improve mobile search across all devices; since they share ads it opens up a ton of mobile ad inventory which Bing Ads has been lacking; Microsoft saves face in press.
    – MS Default: Y! gets to benefit from improved mobile search from learnings; since they share ads it opens up a ton of mobile ad inventory which Bing Ads has been lacking.

  • TheMacAdvocate

    The popularity of Google Maps upon its release was due to the the app not being available with turn-by-turn directions and street view when Apple’s Maps was released. In that respect, it’s not really fair to say Apple “took” anything from Google. Even though it may rank high in the App Store, it isn’t iOS’s default. I know for me personally, Siri integration – the ability to pull up direction by saying “take me home” – is a big advantage over having to start a stand-alone app. It would be interesting to see how Google’s apps have fared vs. Apple’s defaults over time. My bet would be that an app like Google Maps would taper off significantly. I agree with your central premise about wholesale Google substitution. I think Apple _could_ do it, but in this case (unlike Maps) it would be perceived as Apple subbing an inferior product out of spite.

  • fgarcia72

    So many good points. You can’t just decide you want to buy yourself into something. Unless you’re Zuckerberg, i guess. Remember the recent Yahoo Mail fiasco? Work on that first, Marissa. Gotta crawl before you can do moonshots.

  • http://www.seo-theory.com/ Michael Martinez

    “Similarly, there’s been no signs that Yahoo is out busy crawling the web in order to build an index of all those pages …”

    That’s completely wrong. Slurp has remained continuously active through the past few years. And it’s still crawling from Yahoo! IP addresses.

  • enzomedici

    People still use Yahoo? Wow.

  • http://searchengineland.com/ Danny Sullivan

    No one has been commenting on that in the way that they did when Windows Live/Bing started up crawling, with a frequency that indicated that it was actively crawling to build an index. That’s what I mean about being busy. But thanks — maybe they are crawling more than I believed.

  • http://www.seo-theory.com/ Michael Martinez

    You know, I can find recent online discussions where people are asking why Slurp is still crawling their sites. But I agree with you that the scale of those discussions has not risen to the level that would rival other issues (like guest posting), so maybe the more important signal here is that fewer people are paying attention to actual server log data in favor of looking at Javascript-collected analytics (and I am not referring to just GA but to most if not all the major analytics packages).

    Sometimes it’s what is NOT being said that is significant.

  • TomCrown

    I’ve been using duckduckgo for over a year, just as good as Google and no adds or tracking.

  • JK ShinFan

    And who does DuckDuckGo use for search since they hardly do any of the crawling themselves?

    “DuckDuckGo gets its results from over one hundred sources, including DuckDuckBot (our own crawler), crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, which are stored in our own index), Yahoo! (through BOSS), Yandex, WolframAlpha, and Bing. For any given search, there is usually a vertical search engine out there that does a better job at answering it than a general search engine. Our long-term goal is to get you information from that best source, ideally in instant answer form.”

    Since they hardly do any crawling themselves couldn’t Apple or a “new” Yahoo do the same thing?

  • monkeyrun

    yes I think eventually Apple is going to do that.

  • Chris C

    I think it depends where you live. We live north of Boston, and use Google Maps all of the times. I would love to use Apple Maps instead but nearly 3/4 point of interest places in the area, Apple Maps directs wrong. Something as simple as going to Home Depot or Post Office always takes you to the wrong place where is Google Maps always gets it right. Even Boston itself is full of many inaccuracies. Overall using Apple Maps currently is a gamble as you have at best a 50% chance it will take you to your destination properly compared to Google Maps. To note when I run into a map issue with Google I report it and it gets fixed in a few weeks to a couple months at max. Where is on Apple I have reported every local issue I’ve found and in well over a year 0 changes have been implemented.

  • dreamfeed

    If you’re just using it for directions, apple maps is fine. If you use it as a search interface for the real world, it is a joke, and it will never be as good as google. In any case it’ is indisputable that the decision to drop google maps had absolutely nothing to do with benefitting the user.

  • Terrin Bell

    The Guardian published an article called, ”
    “Apple maps: how Google lost when everyone thought it had won.”
    The conclusion is there is about 43.2m maps users in all the US, and out of that number, 35m are using Apple’s maps.

  • http://pantherleads.com Midasjohn

    Hold on, isn’t Bing actually ‘Wolfram Alpha technology’? Yahoo could just resell Wolfram repackaged and sprinkled with purple icing sugar …. you may be a little Google obsessed I suspect. After all, basically all of these companies are running exactly the same technology platforms, repackaged. The idea that Google has all the Algorithm boffins is plain daft.

  • Scores.fm

    Steal the search default? You act as though they would be some villain doing something unspeakable to poor, little ol’ Google.

  • Bob Bigellow

    Old habits die hard.

  • Bob Bigellow

    No. Bing uses Wolfram Alpha technology when it returns certain direct information, but not all direct information, and certainly not crawler-based web results.

  • TheMacAdvocate

    Agreed on Apple vs. Google Maps for points of interest. I don’t know if Apple will ever be able to compete in that regard.

  • TheMacAdvocate

    Turn-by-turn directions were being withheld and ransomed for more access to more of Apple’s user data, so I find your use of the word “indisputable” somewhat specious.

    Nothing was to stop Google from developing their Maps app so that it hit the App Store in conjunction with the release of Apple’s. Apple was talking about it 6 months prior to its launch, which included a lengthy beta period. Google chose not to, and that’s 100% on them. They were just as much at fault for ditching users as Apple was. Think of all the day-one users Google could have snatched up by releasing a superior option to Apple’s Maps at the same time. Instead, they let people use and improve Apple’s offering for 4 whole months (not counting the beta), which IMO was pretty stupid. Sure there was squawking, much of it by the tech press that mints its hits off of bashing Apple.